Over simplistic PapsterâŚI recall a time not too long ago that having an Irish surname in mainland Britain would get your collar felt as rigorously as a black man. Youâre ignoring this other fact conveniently to fit your argumentsâŚ
Pap - By the way my ancestry is Irish - way back - and have had my collar felt by the police - rigorously shall we say, for no good reason, apart from my alleged race. am I less deserving or to you or does it not matter that people with Irish Surnames Lives Not Matter (ISLNM)?
Bit tounge in cheek but wind your neck in a bit and look a bit more widely when you go off on a crusade (Barry - can I. mention crusades?)
Itâs significantly more complex than criminality.
Besides, I go on enough.
Of course you can,
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I lived in Northern Ireland for three years and have a scouse missus, and have witnessed how badly her accent has travelled in the past. The thread began because BLMUK was making a protest. It wasnât meant to diminish the hardships that others face, and I am aware of them. This country would probably be a much more coherent Union if we English had bigged up other national or regional achievements, instead of sneering at anyone that doesnât fit the South East consensus.
Why did it take to the point of the Union near breaking for example, for Scotland to get the recognition it deserves for its part in this enterprise?
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No blacks, dogs or Irish. Wasnât that how the sign went?
Maybe the problem is that we treat the Irish and dogs OK now but not black people. Donât think the Irish get persecuted by the police anymore and theyâre pretty nice to dogs. Why have they still got a problem with black people?
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Interested why you asked if pap was a social worker in relation to the thread and comments.
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Pap quit bitching and whining, I lived in Ireland and the shoe was on the other foot, you had work I had to look for work, huge difference, I also worked in Southern Ireland and fuck me I could bleat about being called an English bastard everyday (and I did) and I laughed it off, what can you do? My wife is also scouse and she has no chips on her shoulders like me, victimhood brother victimhood.
Well forgive me Bazza, for actually securing work in a place before I went to live there.
It seemed like the sensible thing to do.
Pap you bleat like youâre Steve Biko Jesus wept man, you worked in a part of the UK and your wife is from there, thats all mate , nothing more.
Someone was asking if I gave a shit about the shit the Irish get or got.
The answer is yes. Donât make it into anything more than it is.
Intiniki
Only because I know a couple of Social Workers who are trying to save the world on lost cause at a time. Pap seems to want to save the world as well - thatâs all, nothing else. (Pap, nothing derogatory meant at all mate).
Ah okay. I am one of those social workers.
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What do you do for a living?
Originally posted by @TheCholulaKid
Originally posted by @cobham-saint
Intiniki
Only because I know a couple of Social Workers who are trying to save the world on lost cause at a time. Pap seems to want to save the world as well - thatâs all, nothing else. (Pap, nothing derogatory meant at all mate).
What do you do for a living?
I work for the man..Just joined a City Partnership (financial services) - so should I not comment on âsocial issuesâ? Despite coming from the Waterside / an Irish surname and the drag factor of going to Noadswood School?
I agree with you completely that questions needed to be asked, but I do worry that a lot of people might not really be looking for answers if they donât like them.
This is where I get onto the slightly more conservative side of things having grown up in south London myself.
Have a read of this thread and read the posts by âsw16â. I think heâs bang on. Funnily enough I actually went to primary school with a couple of the guys in some of the âgangstaâ music videos he posts as examples of the kind of negative culture that became very pervasive in London throughout the late nineties/noughties.
Youâre not gonna like this, but a lot of the black lads (particularly the ones with absent fathers) got caught up in the âLondon gangstaâ culture. A culture that quite simply glorified violence, criminality for the sake of it, being a bully and just generally scorned any kind of academic or educational attainment. Iâm sure what Iâm saying will come across as very conservative and quite provocative but itâs totally true.
Oh incidentally I should add that I think things have changed a fair bit since the riots.
Over time, this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=914OHMH5zqE
Seems to have been replaced by this type of thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRVOOwFNp5U
(I know oneâs UK and oneâs American but still - the rap-as-3-minutes-of-gun-posturing-and-death-threats era seems to have been on the wane since the time of the riots)
You definitely should be commenting on social issues.
Maybe just try to avoid sneering at those who spend their lives trying to make other peopleâs lives better - thatâs assuming you donât want to look like an arsehole though.
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TheChoulaKid
I hope I donât come across as sneering at othersâŚ& appreciate anyone who try to make lives better
I resent the arsehole inference by the way.
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Originally posted by @MrTrampoline
I agree with you completely that questions needed to be asked, but I do worry that a lot of people might not really be looking for answers if they donât like them.
This is where I get onto the slightly more conservative side of things having grown up in south London myself.
Have a read of this thread and read the posts by âsw16â. I think heâs bang on. Funnily enough I actually went to primary school with a couple of the guys in some of the âgangstaâ music videos he posts as examples of the kind of negative culture that became very pervasive in London throughout the late nineties/noughties.
Youâre not gonna like this, but a lot of the black lads (particularly the ones with absent fathers) got caught up in the âLondon gangstaâ culture. A culture that quite simply glorified violence, criminality for the sake of it, being a bully and just generally scorned any kind of academic or educational attainment. Iâm sure what Iâm saying will come across as very conservative and quite provocative but itâs totally true.
Without wanting to be patronising, but Iâm a wee bit older than yourself, and I can remember the exact same thing being true of white nippers in the late seventies and early 80s. It wasnât cool to be brainy. A lot of them went into much easier to find unskilled work, and a lot of them regret it now, to be found spouting off on Facebook about how foreigners have thieved their opportunities.
The things I was into were never cool while I was at school. The internet culture, where it does actually pay to be smart and technically aware, came way later. Cultures can and do change - and some of the behaviour youâre talking about has positive kickbacks a generation later. Some of the mushes that I know with a fluctuating number of parents in the house have some of the strongest families.
Again, I canât really accept any of the âglorifying violenceâ or âcriminality for the sake of itâ comes from nothing. The only way that anyone could remotely find those ideas acceptable is if they had a complete disrespect for society and/or their fellow people. Itâs a two way street, and when Conservatives like Oliver Letwin were spouting nonsense like this back in the 1980s, black people are disproportionately killed in custody and it takes decades to get anything like justice for Stephen Lawrenceâs family, you can see that weâve provided a lot of big reasons to fuel the problem. The grinding day to day aspect of it that white folk donât see doesnât help.
Appreciate the Hopsin track - Iâve heard it before, but again, I feel that an enumeration of the underlying tenets of the gang culture doesnât get us much further than âpure criminalityâ, or indeed, âstuffâ.