👨 👨🏽 👨🏿 Black Lives Matter protest

[pap]

Take a break then, because I don’t know what anyone is supposed to do with this.

It’s bitch vague-booking of the highest order.

[Saint-CD]

It’s interesting to prophesise where this might end. At what point do the players stop taking the knee ? Never ? I think this is the point @scotty is trying to make imho. Have the players and FA now walked in to a shit show where cometh the day it all stops, everyone is branded racist. It doesn’t follow but that’s the way it will be perceived. Maybe it should never stop ? However, does the message then get lost in the procession of pre match hand shaking ? At the time it first started, the message was strong but I fear its impact is lessening by the day and some players will ultimately end up thinking that they are doing it because all their team mates are doing it. And that makes it wrong imho.

[saintbletch]

@scotty

Ah, but if you refuse, it naturally follows that you must be a racist.

This entire episode was ill-conceived, badly publicised, and imho counterproductive. It bullies people into making statements they don’t believe in and supporting those statements with a gesture they don’t want to make. I’m uncomfortable with the whole movement, tbh.

For the record, I’m very comfortable with the whole movement.

I’m also comfortable with putting pressure on people to pick a side.

I’m disappointed with the implication that anyone that doesn’t support the movement must be a racist.

I’m very comfortable with the inference that if you don’t support the movement then you’re happy with the status quo.

[CB-Saint]

Why can’t some stand up against racism in their own way

Why to they have to “take a knee”

I am not a protester, never have been the marching type. That doesn’t mean to say I can’t be bothered or I am happy to let racism exist

Whilst I might not be lobbying, I can and do ensure that the areas I can influence, such as my business, is absolutely free of it.

I am not following a movement or adhering to any proscribed behaviour - So I don’t necessarily agree with your last paragraph

[Map-Of-Tasmania]

@scotty

making a gesture of subjugation

Maybe this is the problem? Because it’s not one of subjugation, but has become symbolic of solidarity with the simple fact that folks are no longer happy with the status quo. That it’s no longer acceptable to accept that this shit happens

Therefore, anyone who is truly not racist would have no problem showing that solidarity?

BLM and it’s approach SHOULD be making us ALL uncomfortable that we have for years simply accepted racism in any form, from casual jokes, to full on hatred and violence and done fuck all about it to change our society… yes we have passed laws, but too many of us myself included have found it too UNCOMFORTABLE to take direct action when we see it, or hear it

Quite frankly I am stunned that once again a valid and necessary protest, now has white folks suggesting it makes them uncomfortable … well it fucking should! That’s the point. And anyone who is made to feel uncomfortable because they feel ‘forced’ into taking a knee should also feel fucking ashamed.

As with Fatso, there has been some unpleasant POV creeping in to some threads which seem at odds with the general good vibe on the site, and it’s not something I am ‘comfortable’ With

However, rather than ‘taking a break’ as we seem to be encouraged to do, I will simply call it out for what it is when I see it. That is what BLM is encouraging us to do, and anyone who does not see that as a good thing needs to take a look in the mirror.

[saintbletch]

@CB-Saint

Whilst I might not be lobbying, I can and do ensure that the areas I can influence, such as my business, is absolutely free of it.

You’ve presumably done this your whole life?

Laudable.

But you’ve had no impact at a macro level.

The problem is still there.

A movement comes along that transcends the original intention of highlighting US police targeting of black people. It could have a transformational impact if observed by all.

If you criticise the movement and the uncomfortable way it makes you feel, you’re a cheerleader for the status quo.

Nothing wrong with that - as long as you’re white.

[CB-Saint]

I’d like to think where I have had the opportunity to do the right thing I have more often than not during my life - I suspect there were opportunities for instance where I stayed silent mainly out of fear of being punched in the face - I suspect like most of us

No, I don’t have an impact on a macro level, however My “micro” Effort when added to everyone else’s micro effort adds up

[Map-Of-Tasmania]

I would agree but say stick around and call it out when you see it because That is exactly what we should be doing. Even on this micro level we try and move things forward.

[Map-Of-Tasmania]

@CB-Saint

My “micro” Effort when added to everyone else’s micro effort adds up

Yep and it’s why showing solidarity that this the right thing to do through a simple gesture is important

[pap]

I absolutely don’t agree with his post or his approach.

This happens once in a while, normally when someone has the cheek to advance a competing opinion.

The correct thing to do in that circumstance is to offer your own competing opinions, not launch a fucking broadside where you accuse this place, of all places, of being on the road to Stormfront.

It’s fucking lazy and I for one am not going to pander to it.

[Map-Of-Tasmania]

Really? You don’t feel that ethically and morally corrupt shit should be called out and the reasons why Highlighted?

What are you afraid of? That the racists and bigots complain and leave? Yet you seem happy encouraging those not happy with these things to take a break?

Jeez… now that really is a crock of shit pap

[CB-Saint]

Not sure this site is full of racists and bigots

[Map-Of-Tasmania]

Where have I said it is? Merely agreeing that there has been some nasty stuff posted here and there and that we should call it out when we see it… not ignore it simply because it might ‘upset’ or make some feel uncomfortable

[CB-Saint]

This is the issue - because I choose to do things in my way and not the way you think I should, I have become a “cheerleader for the status quo” which is not accurate

Whatever people do, Grand gestures or small, to move forward - that is worthy of respect and not be a magnet for criticism

The more you get on the case of those people who don’t make the grand gesture, the more you disengage them and the less likely that they will bother going forward - that is applicable to everything not just BLM

[CB-Saint]

You inferred it in your second paragraph

[CB-Saint]

That’s me done for a bit on this thread

[Map-Of-Tasmania]

Sorry can’t agree, that is in response to Pap suggesting he is happier that those opposing such views take a break …

[Map-Of-Tasmania]

Not sure taking a knee is a grand gesture, just a very simple symbolic small thing to show solidarity with those no longer comfortable with the status quo… this is why don’t see how this has become so ‘controversial’ … it seems to me it’s been ‘made’ so by those who are seeking to undermine the movement

[scotty]

Dominic Raab says he would not "take a knee" in support of the Black Lives Matter

That’s the Foreign Secretary, and I’m in broad agreement with him on that one. Kneeling is usually viewed as a gesture of deference or subjugation, although I accept that may not have been the intention when it was picked as a symbol for BLM.

[pap]

@Fatso said he didn’t want to visit anymore.

He tried the exact same thing with my dad about three weeks after this place started.

Five years later, he’s still here and still pulling the same shit.

If this place is so racist and bigoted (it isn’t) you can always try another Saints forum that’s less racist or bigoted (there isn’t one).