❄ Are you a woke bloke? (MoM approved)

121

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with respecting those that make the decision to undergo gender reassignment.

I’d also have no personal problem respecting individuals feelings when up close and personal. What I won’t accept is being forced to accept that Phillipa York is a woman, because she isn’t. Absolutely respect her choice to live her life as a woman, and as you can see, I respect her pronouns too.

But being forced into denying a literal truth? Nah. That is not for me and not at all healthy for society, especially when the demographic you’re talking about, fully transitioned, only represents 20% of the scale.

The other end of the scale is people that have not transitioned at all sporting bushy beards and just claiming they’re women.

122

I asked you some questions based on what you’d posted. Who’s forcing you to do, or accept, anything?

123

What is truth?

124

Forgive me - I am not talking about you specifically in relation to that point. There have been noted occasions of people losing their livelihoods for not conforming to the new truth.

J.K Rowling recently got dogpiled on Twitter for supporting one such person.

125

Pretty cut and dried when you’re a programmer :smiley:

126

If you’re a programmer truth appears cut and dried?

127

Yeah, when it’s all boiled down, it’s either 0 (false) or 1 (true).

Nothing else.

Probably explains a lot.

128

Yep. I consider truth to be transient, flexible, contextual, inconsistent, subjective and vulnerable. To view it any other way is ridiculous.

4 Likes
129

I didn’t think that you were talking about me, but I’ll forgive you anyway because I’m nice like that. Is anybody forcing you to accept anything?

I have to admit that my knowledge of the job-losing cases that you mention is scanty. I might look up the JK Rowling one you mention and see if sheds any light.

Above, @Goatboy makes a very valid point. What, indeed, is truth? Who is, or should be the arbiter of this? Is there an objective reality where human beings are concerned? I offer no answer to the first two; on the third I’d say quite definitely not.

4 Likes
130

It’s a good question. Truth is very often little more than dogma.

It’s something that informed the worst aspects of religion, and something which informs the worst aspects of identity politics.

In your initial poser, loaded with that leading “Surely”, was that truth, or was that dogma?

131

Nope.

It all depends on the logic you deploy to assess the facts at hand…

def Woman(birth_gender, gender_reassignment=False)
    return birth_gender == 'female' or (birth_gender == 'male' and gender_reassignment)

if __name__ == '__main__':
   print(Woman('male', True))

Forgive any bugs.

I’m knee-deep in Havana Club and lime…

2 Likes
132

It was neither. It was a question. I could have left out the adverb.

133

You are not going to impress me on a Saturday night by whipping your Python out.

Sunday, when I have lower expectations of what the evening will bring and an earlier bedtime, maybe.

2 Likes
134

I actually find the whole issue of gender in the modern world scarily difficult to understand.

However, unlike the two Eton old-boys you’ve cited on this thread, @pap, I assume I’m at fault for not understanding modern society - rather than blaming ‘wokeness’.

I’m a dinosaur that wants stasis so that my tiring and slowing brain can keep up.

But I won’t get what I want so I must accept the world the youth create around me.

3 Likes
135

Goaty says truth can be found in accepting the inexplicable.

1 Like
136

Bletch says that people that refer to themselves in the third-person are cunts.

3 Likes
137

Goaty likes an edit.

138

I think I may have to move to the pickled thread.

1 Like
139

Just tried to put lime in an oily, tarry single malt on the basis that I like to add lime to a rum.

Mistake.

It tastes horrible.

See you on the pickled thread.

140

Likewise, but there are limits, and sometimes there are times when our wisdom can inform da yoot.

You and I have seen enough foot in the door shit over our lifetimes. I still got a partial grant when I wen to university, reduced a bit year on year. The first payers of tuition fees paid a grand a year. It’s kissing ten grand now.

We can have respect for the choices people make but I don’t think we can abandon a pretty obvious truth. If dogma wins on this one, and the precedent is established that 0 == 1, what will 0 and 1 represent next?