Are you saying a bloke can’t be a woman?
People have lost jobs for saying less.
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Fuck me - why can’t I ever come across the truly stupid wanting to give away their money
Oh jesus. I should have put some emoji or something as it wasn’t meant to need any response.
You seem to come back to this topic a lot.
Anyway -
"Are you are woke person? 
More like you fell into one of today’s woke little traps. That’s not a dig at you, btw. That’s a dig at the entire culture.
If a dickhead like me can pull you up on something that is essentially true, but you then have to row back on it because a dickhead like me can mine woke offence out of it, then you know we’re in serious trouble.
I think Douglas Murray sums this woke bollocks up best. It’s the crime of saying something out loud that most people would have considered fact a few years ago.
It’s fucking Orwellian. Why aren’t you concerned?
I am quite confused with all of this. So will leave it there.
Like how Jews are tight with money, or how the Irish are stupid, or thinking that being a ‘poof’ is an illness or how all the ‘niggers’ like bananas?
Those were the ‘woke’ issues of the day.
It was uncomfortable for people to accept they were cunts at the time but to me your man Douglas Murray is describing some of the great historical achievements of modern civilised society.
Travel back to the 70s in your mind, imagine the complete bigot sitting in the corner swilling pints in a working men’s club who is spouting shit that was considered fact at the time with a coterie of nodding dogs lapping up his views and nobody there to challenge them.
That’s not a good look and the passing of time only makes it look worse.
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Bender.
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As Roy Walker used to say, “it’s good, but it’s not right”.
What you’re talking about are tropes and slurs. How exactly do they fit into the “was true” category? Murray is not describing that at all.
Is it a trope or a slur to say that someone born with a penis cannot be a woman? Was that a non-offensive statement ten years ago? Is it a non-offensive point now?
When I said “true”, I meant “true”, not what “people believe to be true”.
Your creepy cohort of historical examples actually lines up with today’s events. Believing Jews are tight with money. Believing black people can be called “niggers”. Believing that someone with a nine-inch cock is a woman just because they say so.
All examples of what people believe to be true.
Have another go, mate.
Is Schofield a woke bloke now he’s come out?
That’s what I quoted - you know the quote that you felt best summed up this woke bollocks.
And that’s what I commented on.
I’m pleased for you. I really am.
But as I didn’t comment on that, I’ve no idea what part it plays in your response.
Fair enough, but that is wasn’t Murray’s direct quote. I apologise for ballsiing it up to the extent I did, which is not much.
I don’t think “considered fact” covers tropes and slurs, but we’ll leave it there.
What I am interested in is that telling the truth is increasingly seeming like a revolutionary act, while those one the woke side of the fence are like the recorded media of Orwell’s tales, constantly programming themselves to accept new truths that the public is mandated to accept for fear of joblessness or destitution.
Simple, just set up a football forum and charge a fiver to join
Surely if someone born a man has had an operation to change sex then that person is a woman?
What is the basis of your certainty?
What you’re calling a “sex change” falls a long way short of transforming an adult human male into an adult human female.
only unless they can produce baby’s from their womb.
In terms of reproductive ability I’m sure it does. Would you say, to take a real-life example, that Philippa York is a man?
Which would rule out any number of women born as women, including my first wife.
You know what he’s getting at. It isn’t a sex change. I think even those performing those operations stop short of calling it that.
It’s one way cosmetic surgery.
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I believe the most commonly used term now is gender reassignment. I don’t like that term as I associate gender with a linguistic category and not a physical one, but that’s just me. I’m a boring old linguist and proud of it.
Either way, anyone who is willing (or considerably more than merely willing) to undergo such procedures deserves, in my view, respect. And that includes respect for their clear and all-encompassing desire to be a different sex to the one that they were born with. Referring to this as cosmetic surgery is, to put it very mildly, belittling. It sure as fuck isn’t a collagen injection.
I’d be perfectly happy to regard Philippa York as a woman. Would you?
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No it doesnt this only applies to persons that change to a woman. Persons born as a woman are still the same regardless on whether they can reproduce from their bodies.