Originally posted by @cobham-saint
Mr Trampoline - I’ll let you (& everyone else) in on my dirty little secret - my degree is in Philosophy…
It sets you up nicely for talking bollocks for England in the pub mind…
or does it?
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You still can’t come up with a single good reason for someone in my position to have voted to remain in the EU can you? 
I’ve outlined my reasons for remaining on here already. Plenty of others have explained why we should have remained. You chose not to read those or you didn’t understand them and chose to vote based on your reasons (which, to me, are bizarre and nonsensical). What’s the point in asking now why you should vote remain? I can’t be bothered explaining again to anyone why they have made a mistake. It’s your decision and you need to be responsible for what happens. Besides, I decided not to explain anything to you after one of your posts earlier today where you said
And do you know what? Even if it does go tits up you’re right in thinking that I probably won’t have any regrets about my decision. If I offer you the chance to double your money on the roll of a dice in the event that you land a 3 or higher, you’ve made the right decision to accept the bet in a mathematical sense regardless of whether the dice comes up with a 1 or 2.
I came up with 3 very simple ones, but you chose to ignore.If I was 26 and in a crappy job, with all the possibilties ahead of me,I would go travel and work in europe, get some experience and not stay in a job that was not satisfying or I feclt was exploitative…
Bollocks to the EU, its a sinking ship, if I was single and 26 I would be in Central Otago in a week.
Well your third reason about how increasing the labour supply has been thoroughly contested if not debunked, but you’re acting as if its gospel truth. Your first reason is that I can do a degree in a foreign country - like what? Can you name me a course at a foreign university that is accesible to someone with A-levels in humanities subjects that would improve their employment prospects? How wise would it be for me to do that at my age now? Sure, its an advantage, but it doesn’t help me. Your second reason is that somehow I benefit from freedom of movement because I can go and work in Europe. Seriously? I don’t want to work in Europe and don’t speak a second language, but they all speak mine. How does that benefit me?
I am applying to jobs as we speak. Obviously I’m working hard and doing my best. You think I’m choosing to be in this situation?
Your post reads like a caricature of a rich man asking a poor man why he doesn’t just buy more money.
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Got a girlfriend of about 18 months. I’m rather fond of her. Don’t know if I’d marry her but I like her enough for ‘have to leave gf’ to go in the ‘Cons’ column of moving abroad!
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Originally posted by @Fatso
I’ve outlined my reasons for remaining on here already. Plenty of others have explained why we should have remained. You chose not to read those or you didn’t understand them and chose to vote based on your reasons (which, to me, are bizarre and nonsensical). What’s the point in asking now why you should vote remain? I can’t be bothered explaining again to anyone why they have made a mistake. It’s your decision and you need to be responsible for what happens. Besides, I decided not to explain anything to you after one of your posts earlier today where you said
And do you know what? Even if it does go tits up you’re right in thinking that I probably won’t have any regrets about my decision. If I offer you the chance to double your money on the roll of a dice in the event that you land a 3 or higher, you’ve made the right decision to accept the bet in a mathematical sense regardless of whether the dice comes up with a 1 or 2.
I’m a newbie on this forum. I haven’t read your posts on the EU in previous threads.
If you can’t be bothered to post reasons why I should have voted to remain then no worries. I’m sure there are absolutely loads though.
Look, I saw it then as I see it now. I can’t see a single advantage to *me* for Britain remaining in the EU or what opportunities or advantages I personally get from EU membership.
At the moment the biggest challenge I face is competition. I’m applying for a job with PwC as we speak. I’ve made it past the application form, the online testing and I’m now preparing for the phone interview. In the event that I pass that, I’ll be onto the assessment centre stage and after that, there’s a partner interview. My challenge is quite simply to beat out the competition. The more quality graduates apply for the job, the less of a chance I have of getting it. Same goes for them too. The issue is that there’s simply a tonne of us applying.
Hey, if you’re saying that someone like me ought to have voted against their own interest out of some notion of self-sacrifice, then that’s fine. Just be honest that that’s what you’re saying.
I’ve already explained it to you. You don’t seem to understand. I shall say it one more time…I don’t believe leaving the EU will reduce the competition for the jobs you are going for. Skilled labour will always be allowed in. That’s as simple as I can make it.
anyway, good luck with your interview. I’m off to bed.
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BREAKING NEWS …
Predictions of sharp increase in bollocks spoken at sotonians first post-brexit drinks session.
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The people in that picture are too old to go into the Rockstone
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Non-EU skilled Labour comes with a 35k p.a. price tag.
So how did the workers for Nico in Fawley refinery get in then?
Shit never thought they were unskilled
EU workers. They can live and work where they want within the EU.
Anyone coming in from outside the EU needs to earn at least 35K p.a. or face deportation.
Originally posted by @Fatso
Originally posted by @cobham-saint
Mr Trampoline - I’ll let you (& everyone else) in on my dirty little secret - my degree is in Philosophy…
It sets you up nicely for talking bollocks for England in the pub mind…
or does it?
I believe Ihave proof it does - at least I think I do…it all made sense up to about pint 4, then it’s all a blur…so that’s when I think the talking bollocks kicked in…
Well you know what? Your posts sound like a carictature of an immature schoolboy pissed off that he is not earning enough and life is hard… well wake up and smell the coffee, there are people out there who have families to support on less than you earn… the rights and wrongs of it politically are another debate, but this situation has been part of life since long before the EU…
‘The third point’ has not been debunked, its been contested - I suggest you look up the difference because there are plenty of economists will take on that challenge… In addition, the company I work for has seen major pay rises as we have grown for the reasons I have stated in that rapid growth from 18000 to 34000 in 3 years has seen demand for certain skills increase beyond normal supply. In our case that growth was not driven by cheaper labour, but the principle remains.
Re Courses abroad, you asked for reasons why staying in he EU was good, I responded with 3 that might be appealing to young people, but you seem hell bent on making this just about you… Brexit has potentially closed the door on free university education for those who would like to experience it… your choice of degree was yours and you chose to do one you ‘enjoyed’ good for you, but did you expect it would lead to a firm and strong career path? Its fine doing what you enjoy, most people on the fucking planet would love to do what they enjoy, but cant… not if you want to earn enough for reasonable standard of living…
Yep, those pesky foreigners who all learned English to help them get work and have better prospects - how nasty they are. Again you keep coming back to what you consider are your limitations:
Philiosophy degree, no second language, dont want to work abroad, dont want to go and get more education… that says more about you than anything else.
You say later you are applying to PWC - a company not too disimmilar in approach to the one I work for - the selection process is long and tough because they look for the best, and if you are getting frustrated with that, you wont like the annual cull of an up-or-out policy - how the pyramid works and makes room for new recruits at the bottom rung…
I am not a rich man. I was the first in my family to be able to go university, my dad having joined the army at 17 - normal ‘working class’ lad… When I was 26, 20 years ago, I earned around 9k and lived in a shitty damp and cold bedsit in East Ham. My clothes would go mouldy in winter and after paying rent and the tube fair to work was left with about £150 a month for food, clothes, everything else. But things get better as you get promoted and move jobs… that is normal. You make yourself more attractive to employers as you gain more experience. Its taken me 20 years before I could call things comfortable and afford a decent holiday…20 years and I am one of the lucky ones, many more than work 40 years and never get anywhere near comfortable. For most, life is a struggle financially.
It has always been like that, and in/out of the EU is unlikely to have any impact on the working man - But at PWC, you will still be competing against those from EU business schools not jsut those from the UK, and Brexit wont chnage that… Brexit will maybe deny other young people looking to better themselves the chance to work here and reduce the competition a little, but if you believ that will drive up pay, you will be dissapointed. Al you have done is deny others the very thing you feel is your right simply because of the lottery of where they were born.
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Has she got a good job?
Aye, but brexit wont stop competition for places in companies like PWC - who have offices throughout Europe and the reciprocal agreements mean their recruits work in many of the offices over time… so Brexit wont chnage that, just increases the paperwork- if anything, companies may look to reduce recruitment of junior staff in UK and focus on EU member states, if the under 35k rule were introduced.
Its this naive view that brexit will solve the ‘problems’ that makes me laugh… Big companies and businesses that operate globally will get their way, and that is likely to mean less opportunity and more competition…not the other way round.
The 35K rule is already in place.
The reason it’s not applied to EU nationals is because technically, they still belong to the same country as us.
Essentially, any job under that threshold will need to be filled by a British worker unless the law is changed.
Well I suggest that that if it were enforced andno reciprocal agreements were put in place,the types of job Tramp is going after will dry out at recruitment level… Our new recruits can work in any of our EU offices. many chose London because its a cool city, but we would just no longer have London on the list, if this was the case - with only more senior staff being employed there…
Seriously, its naive to think competition will go away, it will get harder in many career paths