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So youāre admitting that it was indeed in my interest to vote to leave?
Why would remaining in the EU help with any of that?
Mr Trampoline,
I am enjoying your posts, Surplus product I believe its called.
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I see what you are saying but you are missing the bit about the need for more like minded skills as the company grows - if it doubles in size it needs additional workers who in theory need to have the same skills - as the industry grows this increases demand for that particular set of skillsā¦ and thus drives up wages, often indeed attracting moreforeign workers as well if they canāt find sufficient skilled workers form the UK.
I am left wing, but even I will acknowledge that we need tomore productive and we need to provide better quality - we do that we are more competitive and that drives growth, growth that crates demand, demand that drive better asalaries, because not all businesses are run by cunts. Successful ones recognise the need to develop and nuture staff and retain them once they have invested time in their training - and that means better pay and conditions
Originally posted by @StickyWhiteDovePiss
hat is truly pathetic
Such low expectations. 25 years old, 3 wasted years and resigned to never being able to afford a house, dreaming of a measly 35k. While your parents generation piss away your inheritance on cruises and kidney dialysis. FFS you are approaching your prime. You are the silverback. They are the saggy titted, gap toothed, fat bellied weaklings who should cower when you glance in their direction. The likes of CB Saint, OldComputerNerd and Pap are the banks, they are the pension scheme burdens, they are the fucking cunts who voted for Brexit (you utter dicksplat too btw) and they care more about the values of their houses then their children. These cunts are sitting on fortunes you canāt even dream of. They are scared of you. You are smarter than them, you are stronger then them and you are fitter then them yet you have no expectations only resignation. Its your fucking world too. You and your kind need to organise and sort yourselves out. Mugging these cunts is probably not a bad place to start.
Those are some views.
The problem is, youāre still talking about people. This young man has, in all honesty, asked advocates of Remain what the benefit is to him.
Instead of using your immense knowledge and experience to furnish him with such learnings, you have insulted a bunch of people. I personally donāt give a fuck, but thatās not going to stop me from calling out such obvious shite, inventive as it admittedly is.
If you have a point to make on the issue at hand, please make it.
This aināt SaintsWeb. We know the difference between a smear and a point. Get pointier.
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My point is that you canāt blame the EU for the decline in the population, the movement of people has been going on for years. Secondly, their GDP has remained steady bar the 2008 credit crunch. Thirdly, the fertility rate is increasing so population will start to increase in the future.
Its interesting. ChoulaKid seems to think that despite the fact that Iām struggling, the onus was on me to vote self-sacrificiallly for someone elseās benefit.
Apparently Iāve got quite a nerve hoping to earn a salary thatās just enough to live outside of my old folksā house when I did a Philosophy degree (on the advice of both parents and teachers by the way, who in early 2008 recommended I study what Iād enjoy).
On the other side of the coin Iām being given a rather inspiring but still somewhat curious pep talk by SWDP telling me that Iām pathetic for not aspiring to more than a salary thatās above the national average.
Talk about mixed messages!
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I am very intrigued on this, lets start with pay and conditions, apprenticeships have gone by and large and what could we train them as?
Pay?
The pay in many areas of the workforce has gone down due to skilled labour going.
Companies used training days as a tax write off and what do we learn?
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One would have been able to do his degree in the EU in countries where it is free - the Netherlands and Germany offer degree course sin English and it is free, no feesā¦ to EU members
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Freedom of movement - Well I have said that big companieswill ensure they get staff from within EU if needed whatever, but for everyone else the opportunity to work abroad for a while and gain different experiences can provide the differentiators in a highly competitive working environment
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We have touched on how migration of cheaper labour Can lead to increased productivity, competitiveness and ultimately this drives wage increases (as well as creating more jobs to begin with)
Just a few that might appeal to a young personā¦
but alsoā¦
- On a macro level, I cant comment as we will need to se how brexit impacts on trade deals etcā¦ but given that improrts have seen a 10% hike in last month on many EU imported goods, its not looking great right nowā¦
Barryā¦ there are plenty of good companies who operate a fair and efefctive pay and conditions structure - I work for one. The fact that there are many that dont is not teh fault of the EU, nbut of UK Government letting them get away with itā¦ since the 60sā¦
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I believe the young people would say LOL.
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Before the days of the EU all people with Philosophy degrees were well paid in their field. The problem we have now is cheap Eastern European philosophers coming over here taking our jobs and driving the wages down.
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Originally posted by @areloa-grandee
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One would have been able to do his degree in the EU in countries where it is free - the Netherlands and Germany offer degree course sin English and it is free, no feesā¦ to EU members
Freedom of movement - Well I have said that big companieswill ensure they get staff from within EU if needed whatever, but for everyone else the opportunity to work abroad for a while and gain different experiences can provide the differentiators in a highly competitive working environment
We have touched on how migration of cheaper labour Can lead to increased productivity, competitiveness and ultimately this drives wage increases (as well as creating more jobs to begin with)
Just a few that might appeal to a young personā¦
but alsoā¦
- On a macro level, I cant comment as we will need to se how brexit impacts on trade deals etcā¦ but given that improrts have seen a 10% hike in last month on many EU imported goods, its not looking great right nowā¦
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Why arenāt degrees free here? We spend the same amount of money per degree as we do dropping a ācheapā bomb in Syria.
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First, you know thatās more attractive to EU citizens than Brits. Letās not deny that. I appreciate that there will always be oddballs like Goatboy that will want to learn Bulgarian, they can still learn Bulgarian. Finally, the competitive environment you speak of is keeping Brits out of work.
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Youāre advocating for the bosses on this one. Sorry, but you are. You can just as easily make an argument that an enthused, active and well paid workforce could produce that productivity.
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No, it aināt - and get your gripes in now, because I do think that reality is at least setting in for the government. Part of their job is going to be to secure resources that weāre getting jipped on. Nothing legally has changed yet. I think weāll see a bump when we finally make a decision.
You havenāt read Marx have you? I confess not to have read much but I know this, but the driving down of neccessary labour costs (the worker) and the enlargement of labour surplus (big business, profits) will not lead to a more equal society, what proof do you have of such a statement, you are basically saying weāll all become richer together and I am saying donāt be so soft and stupid.
Mr Trampoline - Iāll let you (& everyone else) in on my dirty little secret - my degree is in Philosophyā¦
Never used it to get a job though - just relied on A levels and work experience.
It sets you up nicely for talking bollocks for England in the pub mindā¦
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Salaries are only one component that influences a persons wealth. Nowadays for a lot of older people, in particular those that were able to take advantage of rapidly rising house prices, it is a rather insignificant component.
I wouldnāt disagree with that Mr Piss but I donāt see what youāre driving at, Mr Abandon was referring to salaries so adding house prices makes no sense.
Iām sorry but I still donāt follow. You seem to be suggesting, in a relatively roundabout way, that companies which expand and grow eventually somehow overreach beyond any ability to downsize, and have no choice but to raise the salary of their employees just to stay in business, as theyāve hoovered up all the talent from the job market.
I can vaguely imagine this happening if a country or company ends up totally dependent on a particularly unique product or service but it does seem like a fairly hopeful outlook.
At the moment, from my point of view. The issue is literally that Iām being blown the fuck out by the competition. Nothing against the competition of course, theyāre like the opponents in a football match - doing nothing wrong, but obviously competition that must be overcome in pursuit of a goal. Weāre up against each other and thereās no two ways about it.
Now, some people (a few on the thread) think Iāve got quite a nerve even pointing that out, and that I ought to fade away into a puff of nonexistence if Iām not able to be one of the 42 out of 5000 applicants or whatever it was. Or at the very least I should stay the hell away from a voting booth.
Its quite curious when thatās the sentiment of people supposedly on the left-wing of politics though.
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Some of my brother and sisters on the left have shown thier real colours this election and I share no solidarity with them, theyāre more like tories than the established left.