🤪 2019 General Election Discussion :gov:

You are so in denial…

Folks I’ve spoken to tend to agree… which is not surprising… Tory voters have been Created by telling folks their vote diid not count if they voted labour or anyone but Tory… which was the kind of shit you were spouting … just like Cummings wanted you to… you just can’t handle the fact you were played by such a cunt

I’m sure folks do agree with you

It’s the quickest way to exit the conversation

Paul Mason? He flip flops more than yourself.

The numbers still suggest otherwise, but constant propaganda is persuasive i suppose.
Truth’s closer to this.

ā€œIt is enough that the people know there was an election,ā€ The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything."

Joseph Stalin(not really :wink:).

The story of this election is exactly about how it was predicted and followed through(just ask Pompeo).

Yes, yes, I’ll file that along with David Cameron secretly being a leaver.

:joy: not a bad effort! But must try harder. Thankfully most folks I know have the wit and intelligence to actually answer questions as opposed to just ignoring unpleasant truths…

You voted for the poor people to be screwed based o. Your principles ahead of pragmatism… fair enough, your free democratic choice, but trying to make your choices and yourself fell better by blaming those who did not vote to do that is a mark of guilty desperation… just live with it.

We’ve been over this repeatedly.

Wages in unskilled sectors are rising. Supply and demand. I’d say I can’t believe you still can’t concede this point tonight, but I’ve had three years experience.

I can, and will do the rest, but not for you. For someone genuinely interested in how Brexit affects the poor, not someone that’s been living in a fantastical entitled funk for the past three years and cannot remember the points he has conceded in the past.

I mean, FFS, how many reports from low-wage sectors saying that wages are rising due to Brexit do you actually need?

How many times do we need to tell you that Brexit and it’s effects have not happened yet… ??? What part of that do you not understand? You are basing the impact of Brexit, (that has not happened yet) on the the fact tiose in service sectors have seen a small wage rise? A rise that still does not lift them out of a poverty wage? Mostly folks who are not actually the worst off?

What happens when our economy slows? The first sectors to be fucked over by that are these services, coffee shops, cafes, small hotels… let’s just agree to come back to this when we are actually seeing the impact of Brexit, not the fact that we have seen a 100,000 or so Eastern European’s go home…

Jobs that will not see the worst off get off the poverty train…

That’s odd. You were keen enough to tell us all about the effects of Brexit happening when the pound dived.

Sorry. Your central point is nonsense. Net migration has been down every year since the referendum, net migration from the EU most affected.

That is an effect of Brexit right there, before it has happened - as are the rather obvious rises in wages.

You are talking out of your hat, sir.

You are just desperate, first up the there is a big difference between the financial market reactions to political vagaries as we have seen as part of the Brexit saga, and the real economic impact on our industry, business and subsequent employment levels… let’s just wait and see the impact when it happens after any trade deal (or more likely no deal) is completed… your optimism sounds like ā€˜Boris’s’ ā€˜let’s realise our true potential now we are free of the EU shackles’ to paraphrase, it would be pure comedy if not so tragic that folks believe this shit…

Ps. That’s it for me tonight

I’m not desperate. I am resigned to the fact that we have a Tory government for the next five years.

I’m also fine on the likely employment levels that’ll exist post-exit. I do not share your view that an advanced nation of 70m people is going to be persona non grata nor do I think we need to accept German-led appointed rule to run our own affairs.

Besides, you didn’t bother to qualify before. You simply stated that we have not felt any effects of Brexit. That is untrue. We have, and Remainers have screamed blue murder at any bump in the road.

That needed pointing out, not backpedalling.

It’s been a problem for years, but you feel free to deny it as it doesn’t fit in with what you’ve been programmed to believe.

ā€œPostal voting is open to fraud on an ā€œindustrial scaleā€ and is ā€œunviableā€ in its current form, a top judge has said.ā€

That was 5 years ago. Since then nothing has been done except a big drive to encourage people to vote by post(from the same party that owns the unfit for purpose company). Now possibly as high as 13m people.
The UN and EU have also both said it’s set up for fraud.

The judge in the above quote, Richard Mawrey QC, has also written to the bbc demanding an explanation of why they deliberately broke the law on multiple occasions during the election and has threatened legal action if they don’t give an explanation.

So file it away with everything else that doesn’t fit in with your single issue lie.
What did vote leave promise?

Fucking hell. Could you be any more inexplicably patronising?

ā€œProgrammed to believeā€.

For fuck’s sakes mush. Hand that resident conspiracy nutjob badge back to me. You really don’t know what you’re doing with it.

You’ve had it all along. Did you not realise?

Yes programmed, as is been known for years that our elections/referendums are deliberately set up for fraud, but you point blank refuse to countenance that.
You’ve been told what to think and everything else is automatically dismissed. Sounds like programming to me.

What’s the nutjob view on what a vote leave offered?

// Saint-Or-Sinner Logic V0.1 (FINAL)
while (1 == 1) {
  if (whatIThink == false){
     var message = _randomBollocksService.GetMoreBollocks();
     Console.WriteLine(message);
  }
}

Still struggling to answer a simple question.
Doesn’t compute with your programming?

You wanted programming.

There you are. Programmed. One of my easier assignments; clear, readable and concise.

Personally I see your whole MO as a complete break with reality.

Here are some facts.

Labour lost sixty seats. Fifty two of those voted Leave. Of the eight that voted Remain, six were in Scotland.

https://twitter.com/DarrenPlymouth/status/1206616120733716481

Now a complete break from reality would be someone that refuses to look at what’s been going on.
It’s undeniable that a system has been set up to allow fraud and used accordingly.

Remember Richard Mawrey QC stated that postal voting allows fraud to be carried out on an ā€œindustrial scaleā€ and that the current system makes election rigging ā€œa possibilityā€ and, in some areas, ā€œa probabilityā€. The senior judge stated that the postal voting system was being used for fraud which would disgrace a ā€œbanana republicā€.

If you don’t believe him, how about some Tories.

In 2015, then anti corruption tsar Eric Pickles(yes Eric fucking Pickles even gets it) said

ā€œI would argue that state officialdom is in denial over the real state of electoral fraud in 21st-century Britain.ā€

Alan Duncan, told the House that postal voting left

ā€œmassive scope for fraud and undue influenceā€, adding: ā€œIt is, at every turn, open to fiddlesā€.

Steve Baker MP, the Conservative Member of Parliament for Wycombe and Chairman of the European Research Group(yes) stated

ā€œthe overwhelming majority of my constituents would be shocked if they knew the extent of corrupt election practices and voter fraud which happen each time there is an electionā€.

This was after the last election and he went on.

ā€œIf we fail to understand the magnitude of the importance of the corruption of even a single vote, then we are a politically bankrupt nation.ā€

It’s happened on multiple occasions, almost like they were building up a system and testing what they could do.

ā€œThere were 265 of those papers so it was fairly easy, that meant that each candidate of the Conservative party would be given 265 votes each. Instead of that someone multiplied the 265 votes by the ten candidates giving them 2650 votes each from the block voting.ā€

But they keep telling people to vote by post and every single ā€˜mistake’ always favours a tory and the ā€˜mistakes’ are legion.

Why?

Oh maybe so they already know the result as they control the whole process.

Why don’t you try writing a program that compares these results

With these

And see if anything looks odd to you. Or maybe living in a banana republic is ok with you as long as you get to repeat your mantra.

Once you’ve ignored that, a simple question.
As a man that bangs on about democracy(but is happy to ignore vote fraud) do you agree that the people should get exactly what vote leave offered?