If youâre up for anti-democratic hi-jinks like a second referendum or if you supported the Benn Act, why not?
I muted the Brexit thread for a very good reason. This one may be going the same way.
Anyway local graffiti to bring some cheer.
Unfortunately youâre not going to be able to mute real life events.
The creation of echo chambers isnât as easy there.
You really do believe that the only policy in this election, the only thing people will be voting on is Brexit? You really shouldnât assume that the rest of the country are tunnel visioned fanatics like yourself. You are in the minority whether you like it or not. Hard Brexit is so last year, the only people still advocating it are Farage groupies, far right Tories of the swivel eyed variety and their enablers, and, letâs not beat about the bush, dyed in the wool racists. Knowing what we know now about what a no deal Brexit would mean, knowing the outright lies and misinformation of the referendum campaign, how on earth is a second, confirmatory referendum anti-democratic? Ridiculous and desperate argument.
If Johnson gets a majority and another 5 years you will get your wish of a hard Brexit, but you will have to own it. On here. A hard Brexit is a hard Brexit, regardless of whichever party implements it. Which is why the Labour Party, apart from a few fanatics like yourself have never advocated it. Thye reality of life is that we have to have a sensible trading arrangement with the EU, customs arrangements etc. Trying to get your excuses in early on here for when a crash out Brexit happens, and goes tits up with disastrous consequences for the overwhelming majority, with a Johnson government and all that will entail for 90% of us, âIt wasnât me guv, all the fault of the remoaners enabling himâ, apart from standing reality on itâs head, is intellectually dishonest. The only one enabling Johnson and his ilk is you.
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@pap stop being a twat. Youâre a smart bloke, so letâs remember what was said by your (religious)group at the relevant time.
âYet in January 2016, Leave.EU agreed a detailed plan for leaving the EU that outlined a careful separation over two decades, membership of the single market in the medium term and, most astonishing of all, a second referendum to approve the withdrawal agreement.â
This isnât the first time youâve tried to distort history and to be honest youâre only embarrassing yourself.
As for the bullshit being spun around the election, ask yourself why the bbc are getting back to people that applied to go on question time saying âweâre looking for people that have left Labour for the cunts because of brexitâ. Itâs fucking desperate, like the only person that they could find in Middlesbrough that would say what they wanted, had a southern accent.
Donât you know when being treated like an idiot?
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Ok all. This is not the place to discuss Brexit and the whys or wherefores.
I think Brexit as an election strategy or tactic is ok here.
Discussing details and implications of Brexit is outside of the scope I had in mind for this thread.
Iâll move Brexit specific posts to the Brexit thread.
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Itâs a simple question.
What Tory policy other than Brexit will folk be voting for?
You can call me whatever you like. You can be as angry as you like. I donât care.
If the Tories get in on Thursday, Iâll be a lot angrier than you are, and I wonât bother inventing anything, or ascribing qualities to you that donât exist.
Iâll be angry at a self-entitled cabal of losers that just condemned this country to five more years of another Tory government.
Theyâve no policy. Theyâve got a known liar and philanderer in charge. All they have is frustration over Brexit.
And collectively, all the people whoâve denied Brexit after it has been voted on, have given them that.
The policy of âNot Jeremy Corbynâ.
Which is why the Tory machine has spent this campaign, and most of the time since heâs led the party, trashing his character and telling lies about him.
âNot Jeremy Corbynâ is a religion. And itâs been so effective that many Labour voters now come to believe it.
The impending loss of this election will be a layered and nuanced event.
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Didnât seem to work for them too well in 2017. Theresa May tried to make that a Brexit election too.
You know what fucked her, apart from social care and the fact sheâs a fucking robot?
Labour voted for Article 50. Labour promised to respect the result. She was counting on Labour doing neither.
Therefore, I canât tell you how fucking depressing it is, after having watched the Labour Party dodge those landmines back then, to see them walk back and step all over them.
If Corbyn had stuck to his guns, no majority will be possible. He didnât. Keir Starmer, Hilary Benn and Emily Thornberry all royally and publicly fucked the position.
And the latter day Remainers praised them for it.
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They have.
Read my earlier post(no reply to that unsurprisingly), or, as asked before, show one person from the leave campaign advocating for a crash out before the vote?
What Labour have done, whether you like it or not, is the ultimate democratic thing. Theyâve offered to deliver exactly what was promised.
You are the one living in a single issue bubble. Get out and talk to people about the realities of modern life. Itâs shit and they want change. Only someone that gets their news from the bbc would believe these people are thick enough(racists aside) to fall for the tory lies(how much talk has there been about the seats the tories are going to lose? Thereâs quite a few if you look past the msn). Think about the areas that would need to go from Labour to tory and remind yourself of your justification for people voting racist during the MEP elections(a general election is a completely different matter according to yourself). More and bigger issues than brexit for the vast majority. Donât you see that from your comfortable life?
Thereâs an election to be won and all the evidence shows that all of the major media organisations are playing a very concerted, intertwined game, to deny people the facts. Absolute proof of how democracy has been destroyed is in front of your eyes and all you have to say is âget brexit doneâ.
Democracy is clearly not important to cult followers.
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Iâd laugh at this if it wasnât so tragic.
Labourâs ultimate democratic act was agreeing to respect the referendum in 2017.
Iâm not sure it has managed one since.
Look, youâll never talk to a person thatâll be happier to be wrong. I just donât think Iâm going to be.
I think Iâm going to be seething with anger at those that have been ârightâ for three years.
Be seething at yourself, for believing a lie.
For the last time, no one offered what you desire(despite what they now say).
Show me some evidence of what you claim, because i can show each one of them promoting
So whoâs respecting democracy?
Yes, laugh at the tragedy 
The only people living a lie are those that think they didnât lose in June 2016, think that the result was dominated by stupid or racist folk, and still think it is democratically legitimate to overturn that poll without implementation.
Theyâre effectively Boris campaigners.
No, thatâs people like yourself.
Iâve shown(again) what was offered and on multiple occasions offered you the chance to submit differing evidence, but you never do. Thereâs a reason for that. There isnât any.
What Labour offer is exactly what was promoted from vote leave. You should be praising the obvious democratic logic, not repeating lies.
Your issue, is not the big issue, for most people in this country and only the âget brexit doneâ mindless drones think otherwise.
Again, look at the shit country your living in now, this is the issue.
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What do you think happens when you call Leave voters racists? Or thick? Or calling no dealers fanatics?
That a tick in the Labour box, is it?
Of course not. Youâre pushing people away. Youâre not changing opinions, youâre just entrenching them.
And newsflash. Labour didnât win the last election. We need to change opinions.
Baseless accusations like yours donât change that. They just invalidate your other, legit opinions. Because if youâre bullshitting about someoneâs racism unfairly and without evidence, theyâll be disinclined to listen to anything else you have to say.
Youâve failed to address any of the questions and made accusations that are not corroborated anywhere in my post.
Is this a very bad attempt at projection?
Itâs an election thread remember. What issues do you think are important for most people. Top 5 say?
Iâll go first.
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NHS. Itâs so ingrained, itâs always number 1(thatâs something to be proud of).
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Homelessness. Itâs undeniable to everyone thatâs lived anywhere built up.
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Child poverty. Do i need to say more?
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Housing. The young are fucked. We all know that.
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Dept. How can it be acceptable that to get any education, that might, if youâre lucky, get you a job better than somewhere than MC cancers, cost ÂŁ50,000+.
Thatâs slavery, isnât it?
Your go Mr single issue 
Weâll find out on Thursday.
As Iâve said before, I really hope Iâm wrong. Given that the Tories are offering nowt but bollocks on all of the things you mention.
I really hope youâre right. If all of those things are that important and Brexit isnât, we get a Labour government.
If the Tories get a majority, it can only really be because of Brexit. Itâs not because theyâve got great policy, nor is it that they have a credible leader. Theyâre offering fuck all to the working class, the people that will swing this, except Brexit.
We all hope, but a tory win will not be proof of anything brexit, just the continued onslaught of biased misinformation from the all the media, but particularly the bbc.
If there was a single lesson iâd advise people to take from this election, itâs the clear bias and obvious infiltrated nature of the bbc and all msm.
Possibly not correct(there are multiple ways to interpret whatâs going on) but i do think the general gist is correct and this election has seen a very large jump away from any pretence of impartially.
Itâs the bbc that have tried to force the focus on brexit, not the people.
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Corbyn doing Johnson(1:40 onwards) is amusing 
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