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That’s what i was wondering, how on earth does a moron like this earn over 80 grand a year? Are balaclavas and sawn-offs involved? The half wit even insisted that he wasn’t even in the top 50%. These Tory plants in the QT audience don’t do the cause any favours, let’s face it he didn’t ask a question at all, just ranting lies to accuse Labour of lying. The Johnson/Cummings strategy of repeating the same lie over and over again. Fiona Bruce just let him carry on, did she effectively correct him or ask him to apologize for calling Richard Burgon a liar on national TV? Did she fuck!

This entitled moron is a classic example of the society that Thatcher created. Greedy and selfish enough to proudly admit in public that they don’t want to pay tax. Never mind that the tax they pay goes to pay for hospitals, housing , roads, schools etc etc. A civilised society is created by income tax, and basic logic dictates that those lucky enough to earn the most pay the most, but this idiot is proud that he doesn’t want to pay his fair share to contribute to a decent and civilised society. Plenty more like him out there, i was involved in a discussion at my local a couple of weeks ago with a prime specimen, a regular, who was on his hobby horse, loudly holding forth to us all on the evils of socialism. He is a self employed window cleaner, out in all weathers, up and down ladders with a bucket of water for 10 quid an hour and the soft lad thinks he’s a Tory! He loves quoting that tired old Thatcher trope ,“There is always a point where socialism runs out of other peoples money”, then looks around beaming, as if he’s said something profound, which is exactly what he did the other week. I pointed out that the old witch he was quoting was spending other peoples money until the day she turned her toes up, in a suite at a posh hotel paid for by other people. We even had to pay for her fucking funeral because son and daughter, multi millionaires both, were too tight to put their hands in their pockets. Soppy Bollocks was spluttering into his pint of Carling top.

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He works in IT. ÂŁ80K per year for telling people to turn it off and on again :wink:

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I doubt he has kept quiet. I couldn’t watch further than that.

lol. Mrs G has ultimate responsibility for over 1000 nurses and she doesn’t earn this much. And she would happily pay more tax if it meant better funding for the NHS, less homelessness and less poverty. This huge lump of pork with his shite maths is a twat.

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Just found out that the Question Time leaders special tonight isn’t a debate, they will each have a 30 minute slot on their own. Disappointed with that. Of course the BBC have given Johnson the last slot, so his torrent of lies and bullshit won’t be able to be scrutinized by the other three. He will probably spend his 30 minutes lying about what Corbyn said, with a few " fantastic new deal, oven ready, just pop it in the microwave" thrown in, no matter what question he is asked.

In the case of house-building, it’s fairly self-evident I reckon. Built well, those properties will put out rent for a century. The estate I grew up on was built in 1929. It put money into council funding until Right To Buy was introduced.

At first, it looked like a good idea. Free money always is. Not paying rent any more sounds like a good idea. Around 3.5 years later, many of the privately bought places were sold to landlords looking to secure student rents. Later on, the students had had one too many slaps from the local lads, so all that property is now owned by landlords, with one chap dominating the scene filling former council houses with people that would have lived there anyway, except the rent is not going to the council. It’s lining private pockets.

Corbyn wants 150k properties built per year, 100k of that council, and 50k Housing Association. Those properties are going to generate revenues for decades for councils, so impoverished that even Tory councils are struggling to provide the basic legal minimum level of services.

If it were down to me, I would get rid of housing associations altogether and move all of their stock into the local council’s hands. Local authorities need revenue and they’re not going to get that from business rates, not when everyone is buying online and retail behemoths are hitting the skidders at a rate of knots.

Building council houses won’t pay for itself in this Parliament, but it will pay for itself and for public services for decades. How is that not good policy?

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I’d be getting a bit more in my pocket and will happily pay more taxes because one day I may need benefits if I am out of work, or adult social care, or some operation etc. We all benefit from it.

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The only bit I disagree with is the quantity. There is no way Corbyn, or anyone, will be able to build that many houses per year. There simply aren’t the tradesmen to do it. A good goal to have but not achievable in those quantities.

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trade people up and get them to build their houses a la Cubano style. Or is that going too lefty?

Not enough tradesmen, that’s about right. We’ve got a generation of graduates in political philosophy and a solid bedrock of social media influencers though, so we’ll be alright when the bomb drops. :+1::+1:

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How many does the private sector chuck up a year?

Add in all the trades that refuse to go on site(treated like inmates and always have to fight for your money) and it might not be the hurdle it sounds.
I know lots that every month have to fight to get their money. What do think they’d say if you offered them 5 years continuous work and payments made on time(government backed).

Add in the knock on effect with the young(they understand how bleak their prospects of regular work really are), if they see a trade apprenticeship as something they’ll at last get a job from and it all starts to look more achievable. This is so important for the young that don’t go to uni, a simple understanding that they have a chance of a future as well. You know, regular wage and a roof over their heads that ain’t mum and dads.

It will need a massive funds/logistic/management input but given hope people might just respond and we can be quite ingenious when we have hope.

If that still isn’t enough, just ask the Polish :wink:

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Nor should they try if that’s the case. We need estates like my mum’s, not the pre-fabs built to meet a political promise that all got torn down.

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Good grief. I advise everyone to watch BBCQuestion Time from this evening. Swinson and Johnson were fucking terrible. Go on Jezza!!!

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2016/17 there were 184000 built.
Estimated we need a total of 245000 to keep up with demand.

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I agree it’s a great opportunity! And I do think it’s possible. Just could become a problematic promise.

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Ive been trying to find it on iPlayer. I’ve found the preview and the discussion after but can’t find the actual debate.

I guess the BBC are getting the Tories to edit it, or they’re going to show Robin Day interviewing Thatcher instead.

Cunts.

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I will trawl for some clips.

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Political campaign group Led By Donkeys has bought the website “thebrexitparty.com” and is offering to sell it to Nigel Farage for over a million pounds. The group said the entire fee, which will increase by £50,000 each day, would be donated to the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants.

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