Like you, i reckon their time is up. They need to green up as that is where the future lies.
Are you suggesting they attempt to merge with the Green Party? From the outside many Green Party policies seem to run parallel to Labour.
Didn’t suggest anything of the sort, mate. Just suggesting ways they could broaden their appeal.
From all accounts, Peter fucking Mandelson has been pulling all the strings lately. That’s right, the bloke who had to leave ministerial posts twice due to malfeasance, and also the bloke that spent the Corbyn era waking up every day and wondering how to get rid of him.
If those accounts are true, and they certainly appear to be from the circumstantial evidence, then Labour is truly fucked until that changes. I don’t know what Mandelson is, but he isn’t Labour.
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But I guess that is the question… what is Labour now and realistically what should it be?
Labour now is the other cheek of the same arse, the guarantee that whichever side the coin comes up, vested interests still win. Labour now doesn’t understand what it’s there for, and is so myopically factional that the current faction threw two general elections just to be in charge.
It sneers at the working class it is supposed to represent. It hilariously and counter-productively associates itself with any number of minority identity politics issues that the country at large doesn’t give a fuck about.
It seems to exist for closet Tories that don’t want to be caught voting Tory. It has the most inept leader in my living memory and if his performance over the past week was replicated during his time as DPP, I think there are going to be a lot of cases getting overturned.
Where does it need to be? Anywhere but Keir. Anywhere but Mandelson. You’ve got one or both in charge. I am not even sure that the paradigm they’re predicated on is going to last. A Leisure Party might be a more appropriate fit for our future.
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Fuck they are Doomed…
I appreciate your anger and passion here, but on a constructive side, removing any biasses… if you were to start a new party, that delivers for all workers, yet does so in a way that will resonate with them and also acknowledges we are not in 1920 (despite the poverty levels and unemployment), where would you start?
Where you always start. Local campaigns or campaigns around a single issue, either with the help of a union or not. You could involve Labour in some of these, but it’d be individual members rather than the party at large.
Same as ever. Coalesce. Be more than one voice and you’re more likely to be heard. If the last 30 years has shown us anything, it’s that major constitutional changes are possible. They just take a while.
Some right numpties on Twitter, myself included.
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Fact is since Maggie created “aspiration”
And outsourcing/automation closed the mega factories, the "working class doesn’t exist any more.
Everyone works.
Linking Policy to Class is just un-woke. It is the language of dinosaurs.
50% of the population have degree level education many workers have degree level skills in automated factories.
They still talk as though they are representing the Miners or the Dark Satanic MillWorkers.
It is nonsense.
Social Justice Party. Maybe but Socialist Workers Party?
Hell, even China’s Communism has grown past that.
A couple more years and it will be Andy Burnham
I have to say he has played the long game well - got out of the HoC when Corbyn got in so isn’t tainted with the shenanigans of the coups or Brexit. Will sit back and watch starmer purge the hard left and then sail over the horizon as the saviour in time for the next election. A couple more fights with central govt will seal the deal
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He has been on quite a journey, but I think you’re right for a number of reasons.
- He’s tight in with Steve Rotheram, Liverpool’s regional mayor. Rotheram was Corbyn’s PPS before going for Metro Mayor. He’ll be a strong ally.
- He’s done something. He has run Greater Manchester for a bit. Compared to most other Labour candidates, that’s the twelve labours of Hercules. Not sure if Boris would be PM now if he wasn’t London Mayor first.
- He’s Northern. It’s time.
And for Northern Labour supporters, unlike Sadiq Khan, he’s the right colour.
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Sotonians. Come for the unrequired promise of football chat.
Stay for Cherts’ gritty depictions of northerners.
The new Ken Loach.
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Yes you fucking do.
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No, I’m not quite sure. I dunno if he’s reptilian or one of them fellas off They Live.
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If you want cheering up, head over to Together TV, where you’ll find Alistair “cunt” Campbell talking about his depression. I’m really enjoying it.
I’ve actually been glued to Novara Media for the last few nights; they’ve been putting on a show every night and have had some really good guests on, including John McDonnell and Clive Lewis.
It has been essential for my political sanity. It’s not so much a case of “these people are saying what I believe” because there are plenty of cases where I don’t agree with them. However, they do actually cover Labour in-depth.
Being reported that the reason why Starmer rowed back on the Rayner sacking is that she would launch a leadership contest and probably win it - Rayner might be an acceptable choice to the left wing of the party, but I think she will be even less appealing to the electorate
Labour should just eat the gun and get it over with