Yeah, damn socialists voting for a socialist.
Expect a centrist led purge.
They didn’t seem to vote for one this time though, did they?
Seems to me they lack conviction after the mess they made of it last time.
Any party will be fucked when the views of its ‘membership’ appear to be out of step with not just its target voters but it’s actual ones … who at the last election appeared by a large majority to be pro-remain… and used their democratic right to vote that way
For all the accusations (mostly wrong) that remainers labelled all Brexiteers racists and bigots and stupid, it’s equally wrong to suggest anyone who believed in remain and voted for a second ref was anti-democratic… but it’s nice shitty stick to poke folks with… But did Labours victory chances no favours…
I suspect that those cunning cunts in the right wing think tanks, knew only too well that a vote on the EU was always far more dangerous for the Left than for the right… the Tory party might lose some senior members and parliamentarians, but they would be easily replaced by silent and disenfranchised more extreme right wingers…
… for the left the split would be much more disasterous, with a majority always in favour the EU warts and all, but with enough opposed on ‘principles’ to cause a split the Tories could only dream about.
Corbin was not fucked by ‘caving in’ on a second Ref, he was fucked by not being the full on Remain party - a reverse of the Tories. Yes lose some staunch old guard but replace them with the mass remain vote… after all a majority voted for parties that wanted a second ref…
Labour lost because it wasn’t a full on Remain party?
The Lib Dems tried that. Where’s Jo Swinson?
Perhaps she and your lost marbles are in the same place.
Keep trying… Lib Dem’s have never been properly electable as you know - has Labour been pro remain from the start they would’ve won the election … more folks wanted a second ref but they failed to unite them… something the Brexit parties did very well…
The marble losers are those that continue to insist the country needs 70s Benn like principles as these are perfect for a global economy in the 21st century, or that the majority of Beexiteer voters did not do so out of a protest…
I don’t know as it goes.
What I do know, which you don’t seem to, is where Labour lost, which was Leave voting constituencies.
Now I’m sure you’d love to feel Brexit wasn’t decisive. It might validate the three year long anti-democratic hissy fit, y’know, the one that helped to heap a majority onto the Conservatives.
I’m sure you’d like to be absolved of that particular guilt.
You’re not. People like you (latter day Remainers) were so fucking annoying the country voted Tory to spite you.
Haha, you are still at it with the ‘anti-democratic’ and ‘later-day remainners’ name calling which continues to suggest you have little understanding of what democracy is… eg my democratic right think and say what I choose… And you seem to enjoy an unhealthy obsession with compartmentalising society… uhm
… yes labour lost key northern seats, because we have a first past the post system, (which many find in democratic - similar systems elected Trump… so not sure it’s good example to use when you insist on this argument, then again by calling those with certain opinions anti-democrats you clearly have little understanding of the word)
… the Tories won because they successfully rallied enough Brexiteers with their lies and deceit and promises of streets laden with gold to the disenfranchised North… Somehow convincing them to look at the EU for fault, and not the 10 years of Tory generated austerity… a fucking magic trick. Wonderful misdirection… and then they were told as you continue to, that anyone who wanted a second ref, then they would be anti-democratic ‘twats’ if they had changed their minds… ‘let’s just get on with it’ is not a ringing endorsement of the decision… you seemed to be shouting the same thing as those Tory strategists…
Labour had no credible banner under which to gather the Remain majority simply because they were split worse on the issue than the Tories and remain so today…they will eventually get back after Brexit and the Tories have continued to fuck things up for the same northern towns that voted for them…
Spite voting - that sounds about right for this country, and the shit that live here.
Like cunts who go into work during a pandemic proudly proclaiming it’s all about their day rate?
I don’t know anyone who actually did that though, do you?
As part of “the shit that lives here”, one wonders why those that don’t like it don’t leave if it is that bad, instead of vilifying those they don’t know
My wife is very close to her parents so doesn’t want to move abroad. It’s a real shame, we were all ready to emigrate last year and she just couldn’t go through with it - which I get.
It’s unfortunate.
Didn’t realise you were a spite voter though - seems a little childish.
To say people should leave if they don’t like something is a bit simplistic. That works at a party but not when your whole life is wrapped up in your country of birth.
People should be able to say if they don’t like something, can stay to challenge it , may change it etc.
I visited my cousins in Italy when I was about 7/8. Ever since I’ve wanted to live elsewhere but I still very much like living in the UK.
It is not that easy to uproots in reality. Me and my partner could go to New Zealand fairly easily but he has elderly parents here so doesn’t want to.
The UK has lots of great things here and on the whole the people are great but sometimes you want something different.
Sadly we seem to all be at loggerheads with each other rather than finding common ground anymore.
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Well to be fair, its not quite that easy now we no longer have freedom of movement… Also asking or suggesting folks leave because they don’t like the political culture does have rather more sinister vibes… (not saying you had those in your reply)
You really can be quite vicious in these debates can’t you… quite the little bully at times?
Can we all take the emotion of this conversation please?
It seems to be getting a little heated.
Life’s a bit shit at the moment without all this friendly-fire.
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As it happens I am not a spite voter either, just someone that objects to being classified as shit simply because of where I live
What would you like to be used to judge you as shit?
No objection to anyone saying what they don’t like, in fact I find it interesting to discuss/learn different views. I object to being classified as shit by someone that does not know me
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