You tell me. You seem to be the resident expert in sexual offences. I guess you are pissed off because Sweden isnt full of Muslims. Oh, and you really dont think that we, and any country for that matter, doesnt have an indigenous problem with sexual assault on women. Seriously?
Sure.
Would you mind not trying to police my language in the future? We’re not in a corporate setting where you have the weight of HR policy behind you. We’re on an anonymous online forum designed to facilitate free speech and the exchange of ideas.
By all means ask me to clarify what I mean, but please, it isn’t your place to ‘correct’ me or anyone - not as a woman, but as a human being of equal standing who’s no better or no worse than anyone here.
Thank you.
The Guardian article which received 7 upvotes when it was used to support the statistic that only ~3% of rapists in 2012 were Pakistani, also showed that in a country with a 87% white population, only 36% of the rapes were committed by white people.
Sounds like we don’t actually have much of an ‘indiginous’ problem with sexual assault on women at all - and that most of it comes from ethnic minorities.
(If you believe the article that is)
Sweden has taken more Muslims than anyone else in the EU I think per capita? The same laws don’t apply anywhere else so how can you use that as an example?
So perhaps you would like to clarify what you actually meant? Are you saying that Sweden’s laws on rape are too soft?
No, I’m saying that they _ have been said _ to be soft_ er _ than those of many other countries - which is what is said to account for the huge spike in sexual assaults, rapes and violent crimes against women which coincide (out of pure coincidence) with the sudden influx of migrants from Arabia, North Africa, Somalia and so on.
Ah, I see what you did there. Pure coincidence! LOL. You are much better at this than Barry is.
I’m sorry?
I wasn’t being sarcastic. That genuinely _ is _ that argument that has been levelled by many left-wing pro-migration people; that the spike in rape and sexual assault in Sweden is down to laws on rape being changed and that the fact they coincide with the influx of migrants is an irrelevance.
Me? I don’t know. I’ve never been to Sweden personally.
Even if thesee figures are 100% accurate, that would still mean that 36% of the rapes are committed by the “indigenous population” but that isnt much of a problem? Nice use of the word “only”. You should go work for Trump.
Sure, but white people make up 87% of the population don’t they? So whites are hugely underrepresented in the crime stats and are far less likely to be rapists than people of other ethnicities (if you believe this article that is).
Excuse me, sunshine, don’t tell me what I can or can’t do on a forum. And don’t tell what is or isn’t my place. (Or do, but don’t expect me to take it seriously).
Anyone describing (whether by accident or design) it as having ‘sex’ with someone while they’re asleep is part of the problem. And when they do, I shall correct.
Why don’t you get off your pompous high horse, and just say - yes, you’re right, my error, that’s rape. Didn’t intend that to come across as it did.
If you don’t like being picked up on things like this, be a bit more careful with your language, particularly on a thread about rape.
Rape being defined for what it is - is still actually quite a big deal in this day and age.
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Here you go, some more stats for you from the bastion of liberlism, The Dail Mail. in July 2012 they reported that “nearly a fifth of all suspected rapists and murderers arrested last year were immigrants.”
Even with my rudimentary maths I figure that means four fifths of the suspected rapists and murderers were British.
Does make such a good headline though does it?
I’m not telling you what you can and can’t do - I’m asking you not to police my language (which ironically is me respectfully asking you not to tell me what I can and can’t do)
Someone having sex with someone whilst they’re asleep is having sex with them. I’d also consider it a form of rape and wouldn’t defend it. (Incidentally, how would one even do it? Surely if she’s bone dry it’d be bloody painful for you as the man?).
Your then telling me to ‘get off my pompous high horse’ before then instructing me what to say, how to react, and the extent to which I’m allowed to disagree with you is quite ironic. I can only assume that people treating you as their equal, and engaging with you in debate on a level playing field is seriously unfamiliar territory for you.
I honestly don’t know what to tell you. The Daily Mail has an agenda and puts spins on stats to support its narrative. So what?
So does The Guardian
So does The Independent
So does The Mirror
So does Salon
So does Buzzfeed
So does Upworthy
So does Unilad/LadBible
and so on and so forth.
A form of rape? Sexual intercourse is supposed to be consensual. How can you give consent if you are asleep?
That you think this isn’t an equal playing field is your assumption - I’ve not referenced in any way that it’s not. You implied having “sex with someone while asleep” is somehow different. You’re telling me not to correct you. I’m telling you that defining rape as rape is a serious enough issue to always warrant correcting. If that makes you uncomfortable, tough cheese.
If she didn’t want it she shouldn’t have been cavorting around asleep in her own bedroom in skimpy pyjamas - would be the Ched Evans defence.
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From the figures I have seen the Muslim population of Sweden was 3.5% in 2014. In England and Wales in 2016 it was 5.4%. Rape is rape is it not? Why not use it as an example?
First up - you need to think about how you come across in your communication style… not for the first time do you appear both arrogant and overly aggressive when asking what should be a reaosnable question…
To respond in kind ‘I dont give a fuck ‘what you are having’ or not’ - and as for being corporate speak - total bollocks its 'simple and plain language - so …behave.
You missed the point completely. I am talking about taking responsibilty and why in cases such as this it is critical that the media exercise some if we are to avoid reporting of crimes being used to prop up ignorant and racist agendas. I do not and have not advocated any legislative or ‘gagging’ of a ‘free press’ - although you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about trying to suggest this is indeed what I am suggesting… sorry to dissapoint you. (One has to question whether it is truely free when simply reflecting the agenda of a rather limited sphere of ownership)
If the media chose to be irresponisble in its reporting they and their readership should not be complianing when they are accused of being supportive of a distasteful and ignorant agenda…
Pissing about trying to worry about offending the blue rince curtain twitcher at no 27 ('I’m not racist, but why do they always…) when suggesting the Mail is a racist xenophobic heap of shit that reflects the ignorance of its readership is the only other thing I can do in the hope the less people buy their particular brand of ignorance.
If, like Barry, you cant tell the difference between (and importance of) being sensitive to the situation and as he calls it ‘bleeding heart liberalism’ then I will have to lump you in with him…
I don’t disagree with any of this - what I really didn’t appreciate was the implication that I don’t take rape seriously just because I used the phrase ‘having sex’ - which is what rape in this context is as well.
And actually, for what its worth - I did call out someone in my group of friends who jokily alluded to having sex with women whilst asleep - and did tell him “er…thats rape”.
Anyway, just to wrap up - the spike in the sexual assault stats in Sweden is generally attributed to two things - a changed definition of what constitutes rape, and/or an influx of rapey migrants.
I don’t know which it is. I haven’t been to Sweden. Its not massively on my radar. That’s all.