I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again, there’s no better sign of the BBC’s impartiality than the fact that both sides think it’s biased against them.
(and I say that as someone opposed to the TV licence).
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Why does that sort it?
The BBC was simultaneously able to exhibit bias against what was perceived as a right wing project (Brexit), bias toward left wing Labour and bias on a whole range of other issues.
It’s not mutually exclusive or some kind of balancing scale. The BBC is equally capable of pissing people off on all ends of the political spectrum when something doesn’t fit the agenda.
Originally posted by @Fatso
Originally posted by @Lord-Duckhunter
Originally posted by @pap
Originally posted by @Lord-Duckhunter
Why we need a public service broadcaster in 2016 is beyond me. The poll tax that is used to fund it needs to go, it’s a relic from the 50’s
Be careful what you wish for.
I resent having to pay for my own propaganda, but I recognise the effect the BBC has on channels that rely on advertising for their money. It reins them in. Try watching commercially funded TV elsewhere and you’ll get the idea.
The gold standard has been tarnished, but it’s still the gold standard.
I object to the principle that by owning a TV I am subjected to a poll tax that funds the BBC , regardless whether I watch it. I can’t think of any other product that you have to pay for , even if you don’t want it,and are under the threat of prison if you don’t cough up.
Car insurance?
Legalised extortion
Originally posted by @Fatso
Originally posted by @Lord-Duckhunter
Originally posted by @pap
Originally posted by @Lord-Duckhunter
Why we need a public service broadcaster in 2016 is beyond me. The poll tax that is used to fund it needs to go, it’s a relic from the 50’s
Be careful what you wish for.
I resent having to pay for my own propaganda, but I recognise the effect the BBC has on channels that rely on advertising for their money. It reins them in. Try watching commercially funded TV elsewhere and you’ll get the idea.
The gold standard has been tarnished, but it’s still the gold standard.
I object to the principle that by owning a TV I am subjected to a poll tax that funds the BBC , regardless whether I watch it. I can’t think of any other product that you have to pay for , even if you don’t want it,and are under the threat of prison if you don’t cough up.
Car insurance?
Really?
So I only want to watch itv, I still have to pay for the BBC. If I’m insured by Aviva I don’t have to pay LV.
Because its made up of people and people have a range of opinions which do manifest themselves in how they comment on the news. Meh? If you want things to be totally unbiased the just read Reuters’ newswire. The standard for impartiality being demanded of the BBC is crazy. They get nailed from all angles. Of course they’re establishment and the status quo - they’re our state-funded broadcaster and essentially designed to represent the British status quo.
You can not have impartial broadcasting, it’s impossible. Every drama, every documentary & every news comment will show some degree of bias. Whether you feel that is a left leaning bias or a right leaning bias depends on the viewers opinions and starting point. For some Cameron’s government was right wing, for others (myself included ) they were a bunch of pinkos . So your political views form your opinion on the bias you’re watching. This is what makes their charter obligations such a farce. There is now way too many opnion pieces on the news and by its very nature opinions are biased.
The BBC should move from being funded by a poll tax to a subscription model, that way you have a choice whether to pay for it. If it’s as wonderful as people make out it won’t lose money.
Originally posted by @Lord-Duckhunter
Originally posted by @Fatso
Originally posted by @Lord-Duckhunter.
I object to the principle that by owning a TV I am subjected to a poll tax that funds the BBC , regardless whether I watch it. I can’t think of any other product that you have to pay for , even if you don’t want it,and are under the threat of prison if you don’t cough up.
Car insurance?
Really?
So I only want to watch itv, I still have to pay for the BBC. If I’m insured by Aviva I don’t have to pay LV.
Yes, really. Based on your original criteria, car insurance fits. You said you can’t think of any other product that you have to pay for even if you don’t want it (car insurance) and are under threat of prison if you don’t pay (car insurance).
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Parliament has debated it.
They’ve decided to keep the licence fee.
The people have spoken (through their representatives) .
Move on.
Nothing worse that feemoaners .
You’ll be calling for another debate/vote next.
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Originally posted by @MrTrampoline
Because its made up of people and people have a range of opinions which do manifest themselves in how they comment on the news. Meh? If you want things to be totally unbiased the just read Reuters’ newswire. The standard for impartiality being demanded of the BBC is crazy. They get nailed from all angles. Of course they’re establishment and the status quo - they’re our state-funded broadcaster and essentially designed to represent the British status quo.
As Duckster has said, I don’t think there is a way to get an impartial look at something. There’ll always be some perspective missed, some point not taken on board, or represented. That all said, the BBC can and should do much better. It is a guardian of the establishment, rather than the people or democracy. It’s only really in the last fifteen years, particularly the last few years, that the mask has really slipped.
Was it impartial over its coverage of Corbyn? The EU referendum? Trump? Not a bit of it. It didn’t even try.
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Originally posted by @Lord-Duckhunter
Really?
So I only want to watch itv, I still have to pay for the BBC. If I’m insured by Aviva I don’t have to pay LV.
hahaha fkn hell LD only watches ITV? imagine what that must be like! If I watch it for more than 5 mins my brains start dribbling out my ears.
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yes but ITV have the shows like X factor and I’m a Celebrity, which are clearly Duckhunters favourite programmes…
I know a few people who were never allowed to watch ITV when they were younger. Parents said it was a bad influence. Lord Ds parents obviously never had that rule and now look at him.
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I was surprised at first, but the more I think about Lord Duckhunter, the more it makes sense. It’d be interesting to hear his thoughts on this, and how he feels his addiction to ITV may have impacted his life, but I suppose he’s watching Loose Women at the moment.
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You seem to know what’s on ITV at this paticular time Bearsy!
Are you on a break from the fryer and ITV is all that’s allowed on the CRT TV in the BK staff room?? Mind you you’re normally surfing pron using the McDs staff WiFi!!
Originally posted by @Lord-Duckhunter
I object to the principle that by owning a TV I am subjected to a poll tax that funds the BBC , regardless whether I watch it. I can’t think of any other product that you have to pay for , even if you don’t want it,and are under the threat of prison if you don’t cough up.
Water Rates??
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Since the Savile scandal, I think the BBC have leaned towards whoever is in power at the time, for fear of losing their charter. Obviously most of the Tories want shot of the Beeb on reasons of political principle (capitalism, competition, all that jazz), but some Labour folks aren’t fans either. Previously they could be impartially critical of both sides and depend on popular support, but I think the Savile thing has diminished their standing there.
Around the Brexit vote, both sides were allowed to get away with repeating flagrant lies over and over, when a properly impartial broadcaster would’ve challenged them and (once challenged) wouldn’t have allowed them to come back in the next interview and repeat the same lie again. The BBC were too scared of offending anyone who might be in with a sniff of power, so they challenged nothing.
Think it was before that, really - but the Savile scandal - and particularly the Newsnight program which they quickly had to retract on through political pressure, certainly didn’t help.
It’d be the David Kelly affair for me. Wings were properly clipped thereafter, superglued down when the Tories got into power.
Well perhaps let’s say it’s been a trend with some landmarks. But always trending in the same direction.
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