So @barry-sanchez did you not enjoy any part of the Cup final? I enjoyed pretty much all of the 2nd half and with a bit of luck we would have won. Yes we lost, but it was an amazing time in the time from levelling up until big nose popped up with the winner. I felt proud and gutted at the same time.
I felt like shit got the train home in a big girly strop, bolllocks to proud (how can I be proud of overpaid boys who kick a football in this circumstance?) I want trophies, no club needs a trophy more than us? Or I canāt think of one, our cabinet is desperate, how many more meals and 76 celebrations can Mac do? Itās fucking desperate.
Ouch.
A fact from Saturday.
Gabbiadini touched the ball just 10 times on Saturday and two of those were to kick-off
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Im hopeful the new owners wont be taken in by the bollix Les Reed gives them about the club and the ambition to be a mid table and just get shot at the first opportunity. Watford played with a syle and aggression and fluency that we should be able to mirror and improove on. Silva has put that team together with the right attitude since the summer.! We have known apart from the odd game our midfield isnt strong or good enough. It was clear we lost the cup final cause the board didnt buy a decent CB. If its the manager who is responsible for these shit performances then the board needs share the blame and the players need remember they are footballers and not robots. Take a lesson from Leister palyers and what they did with no managment input. If its the players then start planning now for a clear out. Looking at Huddersfield and Watford recruitment its obvious there are good enthusastic skillfull players out there willing to put shfts in
Stevis Davis has always been my barometer for how well we are going to do. All the teams he would get into we will finish above and all the teams he wouldnt get a sniff at we will finish below.
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The majority of clubs dont win trophies. There are dozens of clubs that need a trophy just as much, if not more than us. Crystal Palace for example have never won a major cup. For those who have many have not won anything since before 1976. By all means have your big girly strop, but also get your facts right when you are spitting your dummy out. No club has an entitlement to win trophies. You sound just like the Liverpool supporters that we were laughing at throughout the summer.
That would be the same Les Reed that has helped guide the club to four consecutive top ten finishes, a league cup final and two lots of European football. Yep, why should anyone be taking in by him? As for losing the final because we didnt buy a CB. Sorry I dont get that. Yes we would have had a better chance of winning if Van Dijk had been fit but if a replacement for Fonte had been bought there is no guarantee that we would have made the final, let alone won it. We bought Lemina to strengthen our midfield. I assume he didnt play on Saturday because he had a long and convoluted journey back home and there were other players who were considered fresher. You seem to think that we are the only team with issues. Look at those below us (yes, Leicester are one such club). Look at Palace. Look at West Ham. If winning Premiership matches was easy all clubs would be competing for the title every year. It isnt just a question of finding players, it is finding the right players. The more you have to spend the more likely you are to find the players who will make a difference, Given our budget we have done well to compete at the level we have so far. It doesnt always work. Having said that players like Redmond, Tadic and Boufel have shown what they are capable of but arent getting it right at the moment. Tadic in particular is a quality Premiership player who is not playing to his capabilities. Is that Les Reedās fault? Over on Fiverweb at the moment there are a group of people who have decided that the problems are all down to Eric Black. What they think he does that has stopped us from scoring I am not sure, but hey, some people need a scapegoat when things arent working (having said that some people need a scapegoat when things are going well too). Think back to certain games under Poch and Koeman. Even then we were capable of crap performances. If Les Reed is to blame for the goal draught, how come he doesnt get credit for finding the likes of Pelle, Mane and Tadic and the time we were scoring for fun? Unearthing gems is not easy but at least we have found some. Some do not always sparkle as you would like but is that the fault of the finder? Potential is not nailed on and guaranteed. Look how Mane was slagged off by a section of our supporters when he first arrived. There were high hopes for Boufel and he did show flashes of quality at first, but is it Les Reedās fault that he hasnt turned into another Mane? Some players find it hard to make the transition to Premiership football not matter how good they are and how well they are coached. It would appear that the club did have a look at some strikers in the summer but for one reason or another, didnt sign one. Would you rather they signed a target or just bought in someone for the sake of it? Some things work, some things dont. On the law of averages so far this club has been well run since its climb from Division 1. But if you expect everyone at the club to get things right 100% of the time, you are always going to be disappointed.
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One other thing I would like to point out :-
When we make other, ābetterā teams look ordinary it is because they are having an off day, not because we closed them down, harried and hassled and MADE them play badly.
Saturday Watford did exactly the same to us, they closed us down (very quickly), they harried and they hassled. Our players didnāt like it.
So, did we play badly because we are a bad team or did we play play badly because we werenāt allowed to play well?
Donāt get me wrong, Iām not saying this squad is the best but there were more than 11 men on the pitch on Saturday!
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I think Watford played extremely well on Saturday as you say BTripz. Stifled us and two superb goals and before anyone says that we let them score can I say we would be calling them fantastic shots if it had been us that scored.
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Saying that I was yelling at Stephens (??) to close down Janmaat before he scored!!
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I cant see Les Reed getting any credit at all for Pele and Tadic! Very clearly these were Koeman buys. Mane maybe but as he was already on strike for a move im not so sure. The fact he got Koeman was his real success. Poch was nothing to do with him
As for unearthing gems being very tricky. I agree it is, but as Watford prooved on Saterday its not that tricky.
I think Les is really good at making his job seem harder than it is. Any talk about getting us up from Leauge 1 is irrelvent usnless it is a suggestion that he should go back to Charlton. We are in the Premier League. If we want European football we need to up our game in executive management and the players we get in. At this early stage it seems too many mistakes are being made.
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Sympathy upvote you spannerā¦
But the worrying thing is both shots were outside of the area and Forster wasnāt able to react quickly enough. Seems to me he is slow to get down* fast enough these days. His Achilles heel, that Watford took advantage or just luck on the day?
*Not as in strutting his stuff on the dance floor - though that may be an issue too, but we havenāt been toldā¦
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I have a feeling that The Monster Mash is his number.
I agree with the slow getting down and faster keepers may and I mean may have reached those ball but Iād have been fkn impressed if heād saved them, him or any other keeper come to that.
Donāt know @cellone , the first goal didnāt seem to be hit with any power, yeah it was wide of him but he just didnāt seem to react to it. It was right in front of me too as I was in the Chapel (but Iām not going to get married!!).
And there is the rub. As with Rupert Lowe as I remember, anything that goes wrong is down to Reed, anything that goes right is down to someone else. I read elsewhere that Reed was responsible for all signings. Perhaps he is, perhaps he isnt, but if he signs them off then he has a part to play in the process (as I assume he also says no to some). All the way through our journey from Division 1 I have read about all the mistakes we have made, and yet we are where we are. Amazing for a club riddled with poor decision making. Funny how people outside the club, without an axe to grind, talk about us an example of a well run football club. Considering that we do not have the clout of the likes of the Manchester clubs, Chelsea and Liverpool we have done amazingly well over the last few years (despite with the apparently crap Les Reed on board). We are never going to compete with the top clubs but I dont see as trying to best of the rest is such a bad thing. I can certainly live with 8th and good cup runs. I have been a Saints supporter since 1966 and this is the best period I can remember apart from the McMenemy years. It is by no means perfect, it never has been, even under McMenemy, but I really dont see why the club (and Reed) get so much stick.
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If Reed gets credit for buying he surely must get the blame for not buying enough quality as well as weāre weaker than last year with options up front, spent nothing in premiership terms, and our manager saying Redmond and JWP could help the England cause really says an awful lot, theyāre poor first team players in the premier league and that is all there is to it.
One reason that immediatly comes to mind as to why the club and Reed deserve stick is because they invite it on themselves. There is a false arrogence and there is straight up lies and delusion. I dont believe either Potch or Koeman would have left to Spurs and Everton if we has been true to our words on ambition. Both managers would have left for top CL league clubs I know but they wouldnt have gone to Spurs and Everton if we had showed them we were going to grow into a European club.
I have said before I dont mind really what league we are in as long as we win. If we are in the Premier league we need to grow if we dont want to grow lets get in the championship and have a roller coaster of 2 games a week and fight for the top.
Mid table football is shit. Its worse than relagation battles.
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