Might be something simpler, @bathsaint - perhaps @barry-sanchez is just miffed that his bedpost notches are not the United Colours of Benetton 
Multicultural knockback.
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I think you have nailed it Bathsaint. The whole Trump thing sums it up nicely (he even seems to have an admiration for Trump according to some of his posts). I was also thinking there is a bit of the old Alf Garnett mixed in there too. There is a constant stream of knee jerk reactions every time there is a trigger and we also see the selective use of source materials (as seen by Donald too) so that anything in The Guardian must be “propaganda” by sandal wearing liberals with agendas. Much less valid of course to the jack boot wearing Nazis who write for the Mail. My father-in-law goes red in the face if anyone suggests that he is European or British. He is ENGLISH (even though he has no idea who his father is!) and that is the end of it. The scary thing is, as with Trump and Garnett, the character that is Barry Sanchez doesnt see how ridiculous he is to the outside world. There are no well rounded arguments as you say, just sound bites and emotional responses. The rest of us are totally wrong and delusional. Only Barry can see clearly what is wrong with the world. Him and the Daily Mail and Donal Trump. Anyone with a shred of self awareness would worry if they found themselves in that tribe you would hope . Well Barry, I am prepared to accept that you are not an Islamaphobe, but it would mean you displaying some kind of broader view of Muslims than you have dispayed thusfar. It would also mean you posting positive things about Muslims too rather than just jumping over all the negative news story you can find (like Batman does on TSW). There are plenty of people here who have issues with things like immigration numbers etc that manage to get their points across without appearing to be racist or bigotted. Here’s a challenege for you, see if you can do that too.
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I am not saying anything on that front.
So who gets to be the arbiter of what is good and bad?
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The people, they accept the laws and sentences given.
They make and create a society, and our customs change through time, are you suggesting we treat women as second class citizens and throw gays of buildings?
Well to a large extent, we all think we get to be an arbiter of some sort don’t we?
Most all of us believe in equality for women, gay rights and so on. Most of us support gay marriage for instance, on the basis that gay people ought to be free to express their love for one another publicly and equally to heterosexual couples. Yet if we’re really not going to condemn homophobic laws in certain countries, we’re basically making our moral principles contingent on where someone was born or the colour of their skin. Equality for women in effect becomes ‘equality for white-skinned, Western women’.
Now, granted, I get the point that certain parts of the world aren’t quite in our ‘moral jurisdiction’ to the same extent as others. For instance, because of Saudi Arabia’s strict and extremist government it’s really hard to judge things like opinion polling, and therefore hard to judge what percentage of the Saudi Arabian people support their regime, or are in effect hostages who dare not speak out.
Either way, I still have an extremely tough time believing that you’d shrug your shoulders at say, anti-abortion laws, the death penalty or a lack of gun control in the US and say; “D’ahwel, that’s their culture, who are we to judge?”.
I think a lot of this comes down to a disagreement on the meaning of the word “culture”. Many on the left see it as an intrinsic part of identity not far off race, and that therefore to criticise a culture is to criticise *someones* culture - attacking something that *belongs to someones identity*.
Most of us on the right tend to see culture as really just being a framework for how people should live together just a shade upstream from politics, which can obviously fluctuate & change with public opinion and so on. So for us, saying “Country X’s culture is bad” is far closer to saying “Country X’s public transport system is bad” than it is to saying " Country X’s people are bad".
Now, whilst I don’t mean to rub it in, I think one of the reasons the left is haemorrhaging support across the Western world is that it really does look like you guys base whether morality on where someone is from. Now I personally don’t see it that way in that I don’t think you honestly think this; but I do think it’s perhaps worth bearing in mind how it comes across if you want to reach out to people.
So you’re saying that the country needs a criminal justice system?
Well, I’ll ask my MP, but I don’t think he’ll be interested. We’ve already got one.
I know you won’t know what I mean, but we’ve already got one, and it’s very nice.
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Without people accepting law there’ll be no law, the same with culture and customs, I know you won’t know what I mean, its how culture develops, do you want it to regress or accept things by others that we usually find abhorant? A tad hypocritical Pap.
I have taken to wearing a hard hat and walking in the middle of the street because of all of the gays being thrown off of buildings.
What about women being treated as second class citizens? By virtue of their culture and religion?
What about women still not getting equal pay in western world corporations? By virtue of them not having a penis? Or is it only an issue if it is inequality for Muslim women?
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What companies?
So it isn’t happening?
Shell. Exxon Mobil, Total Ineos. To name a few
I didn’t say that, I asked you as you quoted what companies that didn’t pay equally, go back and check what you said, then tel me what companies do that?
Women are treated appalling the world over. Yes we have it better than quite a lot of countries but it’s not a panacea here either.
There was a plan to name and shame the companies. Not sure it will go ahead.
- 2 women are killed every week in England and Wales by a current or former partner (Office of National Statistics, 2015) – 1 woman killed every 3 days
- 1 in 4 women in England and Wales will experience domestic violence in their lifetimes and 8% will suffer domestic violence in any given year (Crime Survey of England and Wales, 2013/14)
- Globally, 1 in 3 women will experience violence at the hands of a male partner (State of the World’s Fathers Report, MenCare, 2015)
- Domestic violence has a higher rate of repeat victimisation than any other crime (Home Office, July 2002)
- Every minute police in the UK receive a domestic assistance call – yet only 35% of domestic violence incidents are reported to the police (Stanko, 2000 & Home Office, 2002)
- The 2001/02 British Crime Survey (BCS) found that there were an estimated 635,000 incidents of domestic violence in England and Wales. 81% of the victims were women and 19% were men. Domestic violence incidents also made up nearly 22% of all violent incidents reported by participants in the BCS
I agree with this? Shocked? I want equality and fairness for all, every colour and everyone who follows a God or book of bollocks, religion and unfairness was invented by man.
So, Bazza, what you’re saying is that any minority or immigrant group over in the U.K. who treats women as second class citizens are fine and fully integrated as this is exactly what many blokes in our country do .
Good, glad that’s settled.
Right, so when are we going to close all the churches, temples and synagogues?
I’d love to close them under false advertising but alas we can’t.
On the blokes here, why would you want to allow more in then, I take it by that you condone it?