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As I said, what’s done is done. I’ve zero interest in further hostilities.

However, you statement here is at huge variance with events on the day. Very few people supported that slur on the site, or me. You were one of them.

It’s pleasing to see this retraction but we could have done with some sense and solidarity on the day.

A lot is often said in the heat of argument and this is a very serious topic which is always going to generate emotional responses. As I recall the insinuation was that by allowing some posters the freedom to express some views, the site could be seen as condoning those views… and yes, I do feel that whilst this might not be fair, the ā€˜neighbouring table’ analogy comes into play.

A site may want controversy and opinion to create and ā€˜edgy’ environment, and generate traffic, but it will only survive if that is what its members want… and there are plenty of places folks can post if thats what they want to discuss or be exposed to…

so sorry, but not sure what I have ā€˜retracted’

This.

Thats Fatso, not me? … And to be fair, there were many unpleasant views on that thread

Check the likes.

Then check the follow up posts from Fatso. A disgraceful day’s business.

As i have said to pap i was happy to have Barry on ignore HOWEVER as he infected virtually every thread with repetitive nonsense it did make the site virtually unreadable.

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And here’s the thing.

Public flouncers are rare. Most people who don’t post here anymore just disappear without a word. Was any of that due to Barry?

We’ll never know, but I don’t think it would have been an attractive sight for people landing here for the first time.

At the risk of displaying my ignorance, what is the ugly?

The Ugly Inside-Southampton forum

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It’s the forum for proper geezas, or was until they all got banned.

I have spent time re-reading that thread… and a couple of things spring to mind.

  1. There was a some obvious less savoury opinions about BLM posted
  2. Several folks including me did not like this
  3. Fatso pointed that out and I agreed with him (although in mitigation, I was not necessarily agreeing that it ā€˜started at the top’) and in response I posted

MoT…
Where have I said it is? Merely agreeing that there has been some nasty stuff posted here and there and that we should call it out when we see it… not ignore it simply because it might ā€˜upset’ or make some feel uncomfortable

  1. My concern that I went on about in subsequent posts, was because you were giving the impression that you were more concerned about the posters posting unsavoury stuff, their rights, and the site being open to all views etc, than the opinions of those complaining about it… Its the danger of running the site in that folks will see what is posted as a reflection of the site or its leaders (rightly or wrongly).

Whilst you may have the strength of conviction to handle that flak, not everyone can or should be be expected too.

I have to admit, personally, I wont call for others to be banned. But I found some of the opinions posted on that thread enough to make me pack it in… It is after all the choice of the forum oner/leadership to determine what they wish to include, but for members to decides if its for them or not.

So finally I have discovered why Fatso left. What about Bletch? I missed that one too. Anyone else from the old days leave whilst I had my sojourn from the site?

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I’ve stayed out of this for the most part, as I can understand pap’s thinking which is clearly shared by almost everyone here. No complaints on any practical level, I suppose he had to go.

However, I shall stick my head above the parapet. I like Barry. I enjoyed most of his posts as well as his posting style, and I’m sad that he’s gone. I always thought that while his anguish was often over the top it was heartfelt, and christ knows that as Saints fans we ought to understand how he felt. There, I’ve said it.

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It’s cancel culture, pure and simple :wink:

As we’re eulogising him I might as well stick in my tuppence worth now he has departed. I think it is a shame he is gone, I understand the chaos and frustration/anger his posts could cause and the headache for the mods that would ensue. He wasn’t the greatest communicator (in terms of structure/semantics etc) and I certainly disagreed with around 90% of what he posted concerning footy and current events (not a problem in and of itself), I think we agreed on 2 things in the last 4 years and I believe he said I was right about something twice so I am pleased we found some forum common ground occasionally. I met Baz up at Liverpool for the semi-final, introducing myself as @WorzelScummage, oh how we laughed once I cleared up and proved that I wasn’t, then we had a great evening getting drunk. I think if people were to look at his posts regarding his family, his dog, cooking you’d see there was a soft cuddly side (and sometimes laugh out loud funny), it was just buried deep.

That’s all I’ll say on the matter, it feels weird talking about someone who can’t respond.

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Apologies but that just doesn’t cut it with me.

ā€œThere are some unpleasant viewsā€ is just a fucking hand grenade thrown into the mix.

Point them out. Say what they are. Challenge them. That is what Fatso should have done.

It’s deliberately vague and doesn’t look like its trying to fix anything. It’s just designed to wound, which was perfectly apparent from some of his follow up works that day.

Not the first time either, as I’ve pointed out and there has never been an attempt to get things addressed before a big, ā€œeverything is shiteā€ flounce.

When I introduced myself to him at the Chelsea Semi he seemed to have a right cob on for the afternoon. Maybe that’s just his face, I don’t know.

or yours

Both Fatso and Bletch are big losses - Bletch especially as he’s such a damn fine bloke.

I’m hoping eventually he’ll come back, even just as a sporadic poster, but we’ll see.

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His face seemed fine to me, but I didn’t call him a paedophile so there is that I suppose…

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