The other thing I would say is that some places have a regime that is good for the kid concerned. A mate of ours has a son who is a bit unruly. No harm in him, but very little in the way of filtering either. Loads of schools were unable to handle him, and for a long time, it looked like he might become another statistic. He has been going to King David’s for years now, a school focused on the education of Jewish children but also admitting kids from other faiths. It has completely turned him around.
I’m not saying that secular schools are going to have an identikit approach, but my suspicion is that he’d have been bounced off to some state-run institution for kids they can’t accommodate within the main stream. Again, it’s anecdotal, but the existence of a faith school might have done some good here.
I say all this as a person that isn’t particularly religious. The ideal would be top quality education with no religious dimension, but at the same time, the faith school system hasn’t turned either of my girls into religious zealots (or even religious, for that matter) and I’d wonder where the additonal funding currently raised through the school levy and the diocese would come from.
Value added scores aim to measure how much better pupils do than might be expected, based on previous attainment and progress.
Well Lane Primary School in Tranmere had a value added score of 103.4 for its 2015 results, this means pupils are doing 3.4% better than the expected score of 100, one of the best value added scores in England.
So a school gets extra marks for doing better than expected? Sounds a pc extreme left crock of shite to me, I wondered why the usuals weren’t on there bar Liverpool college.
I’ve agreed with a lot of what you have said about religion in education, but this post highlights your downfall…silly comments about PC and lefty stuff whilst also having no idea about the thing that you’re judging (in this case value added)
Paps story about the boy who was turned around in the Jewish school may have been dealt with more successfully in the state sector if the funding for SEN was adequate. It’s not the religious aspect of that school that has made a difference, of that I’m sure. The success or not of religious schools is nothing to do with the religious aspect of them. It is to do with all the other things that make schools successful, such as funding, support, level of expectation (from school and home), quality of teaching and the full range of socio-economic factors. I’ve seen plenty of faith schools that are terrible and plenty of non faith schools that are great. And vice versa. The point is, the schools can be successful without religion and there is no need for religion to be in schools. In a moment of clarity, Barry has pointed out that there are places for people to go if they wish to do religious stuff, and school shouldn’t be that place. If parents want to teach their children about religion or their religious values then they should do it themselves.
You’ve got the gist of that but you’re mistakenly applying it to the top ten. The value added thing is simply a separate recognition of a different sort of achievement (note that the top value added school is nowhere in the top ten of achieving schools).
The top ten is about pure SATS achievement. Nothing more.
So a school gets extra marks for doing better than expected? Sounds a pc extreme left crock of shite to me, I wondered why the usuals weren’t on there bar Liverpool college.
Have I read that right?
I’ve agreed with a lot of what you have said about religion in education, but this post highlights your downfall…silly comments about PC and lefty stuff whilst also having no idea about the thing that you’re judging (in this case value added)
Paps story about the boy who was turned around in the Jewish school may have been dealt with more successfully in the state sector if the funding for SEN was adequate.
I should probably point out that other well-funded faith schools had failed to address his educational needs, that all the schools he has been to have had state funding. I don’t know what it was that is different about the way King David’s teaches their kids, but it’s working for him and I’m glad he had that option.
Personally, I think that the culture of achievement has a darker side and that he happened to be a victim of it, his previous schools choosing to pass the problem on rather than attempt to address it.
I wholeheartedly agree and that list must be bullshit as there is no way Halewood is better than Sudley, Booker or Gilmour nevermind the posh ones in Mossley Hill, Aigburth and Childwall, a list for aspiration not reality regardless of what that says as I live in the area and I haven’t ever met one person who would rather send their kids to Halewood over the schools I have mentioned, like choosing Calderstones over St Margarets.
I don’t give a shite what that hippy list says there is no way Halewood primary (however improved as it has, I know this as my close mates daughter goes there) is better than Sudley. Booker and Gilmour.
The list says one thing but I know another, they’ll be saying Halewood Comp is better than the Bluecoat next, load of old bollocks Pap and we are detracting from the point of religion and its involvement inside schools where in my opinion they have no place.
I don’t give a shite what that hippy list says there is no way Halewood primary (however improved as it has, I know this as my close mates daughter goes there) is better than Sudley. Booker and Gilmour. The list says one thing but I know another, they’ll be saying Halewood Comp is better than the Bluecoat next, load of old bollocks Pap and we are detracting from the point of religion and its involvement inside schools where in my opinion they have no place.
Barry, pls read, and then shurrup, la.
EXAMPLES OF TOP PERFORMING PRIMARIES IN MERSEYSIDE,AS ASSESSED BY NATIONAL SATS TESTS
School: Halewood C of E Primary School Barry says “there is no way Halewood primary (however improved as it has, I know this as my close mates daughter goes there) is better than Sudley.”
% Level 4 and above: 100
% Level 5 and above: 43
Average level: 5C
School: Our Lady and St Edward’s Catholic Primary School, Birkenhead tenth school in the list
% Level 4 and above: 98
% Level 5 and above: 33
Average level: 5C
TOP PERFORMING PRIMARIES IN MERSEYSIDE, ACCORDING TO BARRY “MAN DOWN THE PUB” SANCHEZ
School : Booker Avenue Junior School
% Level 4 or more: 86
% Level 5 or more : 40
Average Level : 5C
Value added : 99.3
School : Sudley Junior School
% Level 4 or more: 90
% Level 5 or more : 36
Average Level : 5C
Value added : 99.3
School : Gilmour Junior School
% Level 4 or more: 82
% Level 5 or more : 21
Average Level : 4A
Value added : 98.7
Pap, there is no way i’m sending my child there, figures can say what they want but the schools I metioned are far far better, the waiting lists and demand alone says so to me and many others, if you asked the man down the pub they would tell you, as a very rough rule the shitter the area the shitter the school.
This isn’t Dangerous Minds and you are not Michelle Pfeiffer…
I am all for offereing religious awareness of all faiths in schools because I think it is important that kids grow up knowing what is going on in the world. Regarding the other, either offer everyone all religious services or none at all.
Pap, there is no way i’m sending my child there, figures can say what they want but the schools I metioned are far far better, the waiting lists and demand alone says so to me and many others, if you asked the man down the pub they would tell you, as a very rough rule the shitter the area the shitter the school.
Deary me, Mr Sanchez - you seem to have gotten yourself into quite a tizz over this. Perhaps it simply says more about the complacency of people that live in well to do areas when it comes to educational standards
“Our local state school must be better than those in poorer areas, dahling. It’s simply the way it’s done.”
I thank you for the laughs, self-proclaimed master of left wing fings.
Pap I am not in a tizz at all, I’m am simply saying there is no way regardless of lefty sandal fashionable surveys warrant schools better than others, I go on a long fought for reputation not a piece of paper, if people want to go to a so called better scool down the orad so be it, it simply means I have a place for my child, I’m made up people will hopefully believe this crap.
