Originally posted by @pap
Can I quote you on that, Bazza?
As you wish Mr Murdoch.
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Originally posted by @pap
Can I quote you on that, Bazza?
As you wish Mr Murdoch.
Sir is getting his media moguls mixed up. Murdoch doesn’t own the Daily Mail.
And? I used him as he is also a bullshitter, I could have said Maxwell, as you could him we’ll never know.
Your argument is fucked, lad 
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Sadly it is a bigger issue though. We arent just talking about a % of men who happen to be migrants or assulym seekers. We are talking about men full stop. Well, some men.
When was the last time 1000 men met up and assaulted women, take into account that they could be asylum seekers welcomed into the Country a few months earlier this hasn’t happened before and don’t say it has, the police I assume know a bit more about than you and I and they sayu its unique in its context.
Heads will roll if its 1000 asylum seekers from Syria and Afghanistan, why? Because its deeply unpopular and Merkel is deeply unpopular. Lets not apologise for this as this was organised (they’ll get to the bottom of it) harrassment and assault of women by saying it happens all the time, don’t dilute it as I believe its more than that ie women if they go out like deserve it and they shouldn’t be out alone dressing like that, a stoneage stonethrowing mentality in other words.
Do we know the full scale yet? Sorry if I am a bit behind but I have seen figures of 1000 and other figures of 30. Neither is acceptable but there is a big difference between the two.
BBC News saying tonight that it could be an organised group using the sexual activity as a cover for mass robbery! 
Its apparently 1000 people and within those 1000 are gangs of 30 or so robbing and assualting people, reports of this happening in Stuttgart and Hamburg have also come up.
Any chance we could change the subject of this thread to something a bit more neutral? It’s pretty gruesome as it stands.
I don’t know much about this story and I’m holding back judgement until I know more, but that there are issues like this with vaste numbers of people coming from countries with very different attitudes to women/society whatever, isn’t necessarily a surprise. And I’m not going to give excuses for it. But to use that as a reason to not assist with an humanitarian crisis on such a massive world scale as this one, is just head in the sand. Or inhumane. Or something. There is no hiding from this situation anymore. We have to be involved and take responsibility. And we have to find ways to manage the consequences.
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I have always said we should take in the women and children and the men form a line as they should and need to be assessed, why should women bare the brunt of ignorance? I have always said how can we change these attitudes and are they compatible within a Western society as religion is used to shield it from criticism, Lou we have dollied around this and not wanting to hurt peoples sensibilities for a generation, we have recent examples here of that happening, no more.
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
I have always said we shuld take in the women and children and the men form a line as they should and need to be assessed, why should women bare the brunt of ignorance? U have always said how can we change these attitudes and are they compatible within a Western society as religion is used to shield it from criticism, Lou we have dollied around this and not wanting to hurt peoples sensibilities for a generation, we have recent examples here of that happening, no more.
Well I don’t doubt what happened in Cologne was horrendous. Just listening to this clip demonstrates that very well:
And there’s no doubt we are fortunate to live in a wonderfully free and liberal society and that’s something that needs standing up for. But the danger is, you make sweeping generalisations around cases like this and as a consequence demonise mass groups of people.
Fine to use strong language, in this debate. Fine to criticise religion - good god it needs it. Fine to take a strong stand against anti liberal values or feel the need to protect European values. But not to the point where you’re randomly pointing the finger at everyone and anyone. If you don’t like political correctness because you feel it’s not tackling the debate, then at least give us a bit more of a nuanced alternative.
And can we please edit the subject? I just don’t want to read the word ‘rape’ in such an upfront manner. I’m not having a go.
Well a rape has been reported and that is a fact, lets not shy away from words, I’m not pointing the finger at anyone, maybe religion is by excusing men who do this is the name of God, how is that acceptable? Its not and by simply saying uyou cant generalise is crap as well, thats a huge smokescreen, in the tory I have no doubt there are good people but we call them tory bastards, or even the good intentioned wet sandal wearer, the World is full of stereotypes.
But hopefull there is a grain of truth in there somewhere, nothing would ever happen in life if there was full and total representation, we can aim for that and we are probably the best or one of them on the planet (I judged without fully knowing its brilliant I am not going to get killed for that, I fucking hate God, Allah, the Torah and Sinbad as well) in being fair no matter how the liberal elites and extreme left harp on, we are very good at being fair and tolerant as I am sitting here and struggling to find many others Nations that are as liberal as we are and dont have established far right parties.
We like to knock ourselves but we are better than most and this Country has never been and will never be right wing, try Poland, Eastern Germany, Russia, Serbia, Bosnia, Albania and many many others closer to home for what fascism really is.
Yeah, but the word represents something particularly nasty, controlling and brutal that I don’t want to be faced with every time I merrily log in to Papsweb. So would you mind changing it? I don’t have an issue with it being used elsewhere - like you say - it’s happened and there’s no hiding from it.
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Fair play, I cant but the boss will sort it.
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Would you mind, Pap?
Changed.
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Could the title not be changed to:
‘‘Some evil people commit evil crimes (but the vast majority of people fleeing war torn countries are just glad to have escaped, be welcomed and look to make a new life for themselves and contribute to their adoptive country - oh and if we count the number of evil crimes committed by non-migrantry folks in the same country on the same nights, it might put it all into perspective)’’
A little long winded I know, but perhaps a little more balanced - needs editing for sure, but a good sub could see to that.
Per capita? Also the nature of the crime as well as it’s unique, imagine if a group of Geordie refugees did that in Saudi (if they let anyone in that is, why isn’t there more pressure there? It’s like a guest wiping his cock on your curtain after shagging your missus.
Jeez Barry. Given the subject matter, that’s a really insensitive and, ironically, male centric analogy to make.
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