We know that these attacks are coming and yet when they do it always feels the same. I missed the news earlier and only picked up on it when I was reading about the Saints in Baltimore and read something about Nice and what is wrong with the world which pointed me towards the news. It is just sickening and what is worse is that it doesnt matter how many resources we put into fighting these people, you cannot defend yourself against warped people who have a desire to kill and who hold no value for their own lives.
Two of my daughters have recently come back from Bilbao and another is currently in Barcelona. We have been talking of having a family trip to Paris later in the year. It worries me but we have to carry on with our lives or these bastards win.
How many Christian reactionaries terrorists went to Church? How many Muslim terrorists went to Mosques?
Thats a smokescreen created by the liberals, apples and oranges, religious fundamentalists can not be dealt with or talked to, how many of these extremists come from Saudi sponsored Wahhabism? And are people actually naive enough to believe this can be talked down?
In short the lone wolf is totally different to the religious devout (and they are) who carries out Jihad.
The answer? There really isnât one unless you stop religion which isnât going to happen.
But the problem isnt religion per se Barry. The problem is the people who use religion as an excuse for their own warped world view and who clearly do not value their own or any one esleâs lives. Mankind is basically flawed and there will always be those who behave outside the realms of what most of us feel is acceptable be there religion or not.
The problem is religion as fundamentalists obviously follow the scriptures to the letter and there by say they are doing no wrong when killing unbelievers, gays and adulterers.
They say they are practising Godâs teachings.
This is plainly wrong to anyone with an open mind.
I guess itâs due to the fact that they have a very high proportion of poor Muslimâs that came over as part of their assault on Northern Africa. Add to that a lot of these people are not welcomed by the French people and there is still a lot of discrimination against them it can increase radicalisation. Oh, and theyâre a lay state, so they have very poor intelligence on their own people. They are not allowed to keep records on residents religion for example. In addition to this, free borders make weapons easier to come across.
All of this has contributed and will unfortunately also contribute to Le Pen winning the next election.
France is seeming a particular dangerous place at present. As always, not condoning anything, but does anyone have any explanations as to why this country is such a frequent target?
Back on TSW, we had Window Cleaner, who I believe was resident in France. He would at least offer his own perspective on things. Itâs one that Iâve missed since starting this place.
Itâs only going to add to a very volatile situation in France already. Marine Le Penâs National Front party will see a boost in support.
Disgraceful act.
I guess itâs due to the fact that they have a very high proportion of poor Muslimâs that came over as part of their assault on Northern Africa. Add to that a lot of these people are not welcomed by the French people and there is still a lot of discrimination against them it can increase radicalisation. Oh, and theyâre a lay state, so they have very poor intelligence on their own people. They are not allowed to keep records on residents religion for example. In addition to this, free borders make weapons easier to come across.
AgreedâŚyou only have to look in football crowds on TVâŚyour team is getting humiliatingly fucked over by Lichtenstein, itâs the lowest point in you teamâs history but then your sad face comes up on the big screenâŚand for that fleeting second youâre famousâŚbeaming smiles all round.
There is some seriously weird shit going on in peoples heads these days.
I agree but the denial to talk about those issues and confront them have led to many of the problems we have today, alienation, integration, religion before state etc etc
Thatâs a fair enough attitude as long as you arrive at the correct conclusions. I donât think you have, and while I think youâre making your argument in good faith, if youâll express the pun, I donât think itâs a good argument.
Plenty of holy books, including the Bible, are full of genocidal intent or contain statements about aspects of modern life that many profoundly disagree with. Theyâre hugely outdated, which is one of the reasons that we donât take them literally. Another reason that we, specifically, donât take them too seriously is because over time, weâve developed a civilisation containing institutions and a degree of stability that donât exist elsewhere.
Despite the free school program by the Conservatives, thereâs a general belief in comprehensive education, and a legal requirement for kids to be educated to a certain standard. We still have religiously oriented schools, but most teach tolerance and respect. Itâs only really the illegal, off the books schools that donât.
In places that have been ravaged by war, where infrastructure breaks down and essential family support structures can be utterly destroyed, those left behind are going to be more radical. Radical preachers are going to have an easier time recruiting.
The overall point is none of this happens in a vacuum. While I take your point that Islamic extremism drives this, weâre providing them with recruits through our actions overseas, a rather sorry state of affairs when the stated aim was to âfight them over thereâ.
I agree but the denial to talk about those issues and confront them have led to many of the problems we have today, alienation, integration, religion before state etc etc
Thatâs a fair enough attitude as long as you arrive at the correct conclusions. I donât think you have, and while I think youâre making your argument in good faith, if youâll express the pun, I donât think itâs a good argument.
Plenty of holy books, including the Bible, are full of genocidal intent or contain statements about aspects of modern life that many profoundly disagree with. Theyâre hugely outdated, which is one of the reasons that we donât take them literally. Another reason that we, specifically, donât take them too seriously is because over time, weâve developed a civilisation containing institutions and a degree of stability that donât exist elsewhere.
Despite the free school program by the Conservatives, thereâs a general belief in comprehensive education, and a legal requirement for kids to be educated to a certain standard. We still have religiously oriented schools, but most teach tolerance and respect. Itâs only really the illegal, off the books schools that donât.
In places that have been ravaged by war, where infrastructure breaks down and essential family support structures can be utterly destroyed, those left behind are going to me more radical. Radical preachers are going to have an easier time recruiting.
The overall point is none of this happens in a vacuum. While I take your point that Islamic extremism drives this, weâre providing them with recruits through our actions overseas, a rather sorry state of affairs when the stated aim was to âfight them over thereâ.
I said all religion, Christian and Muslim values of course they can be learnt but fairytales from a book and In turn you live your life via that fairytale? Many rich kids have been radicalised Pap, many Christian radicals were wealthy, that simply doesnât hold up.
No Iâve got it about right.
Overseas policy has of course contributed but many have possibly used that as a vehicle for their Jihad, why arenât we calling it a holy war when they are?
Weâre patronised and told it was a lone angry man who didnât represent a religion, Iâm very sceptical of those claims now as they have to have been radicalised somewhere and would have had to prayed somewhere, how many atrocities have we had this year officially given as ISIS supported and yet we still in our wooly culture have to blame it on a madman or small cell, any hate speech or proof of radicalism in a mosque or church then it should be close immediately and the person doing it prosecuted, rights?
Well thatâs purely subjective right?
I said all religion, Christian and Muslim values of course they can be learnt but fairytales from a book and In turn you live your life via that fairytale? Many rich kids have been radicalised Pap, many Christian radicals were wealthy, that simply doesnât hold up.
Makes you wonder why Prince Harry isnât leading armies of Christian Radicals on crusades into Palestine. The text hasnât changed. What gives, B?
