I do enjoy just putting a subject out there, and watching what a bunch of close minded, intolerant cunts inhabit the internet. It’s beautiful to see.
And the irony of these people saying ‘why do you have to have religion to be nice to people’ in one breath, and then effectively calling them stupid or naive for wanting to live their life that way in the next.
Can you justify any or all of that diatribe?
Like Alanis Morissette, you don’t know what the word irony means…
Amazing how many people don’t understand the word irony/ironic.
But your also cherry picking the bad bits and ignoring the good, as both Islam and Christianity do teach to be good to your fellow man as well.
Sikhism is the best in how they teach people to believe all religions are valid they just think theirs is the best.
But as I said earlier I don’t believe in churches or such as that’s when it gets twisted and wars happen.
And as to why I believe in a God of some kind I’m not to sure.
i thought once that the Big Bang theory could be mingled in with it as it stipulates that the universe was a void with matter at the middle and nothing else for billions of years so what changed to make it explode, something had to have been added to it and where did that come from? And was it added to on purpose by some being to create the universe.
what, you mean like when someone puts baking powder(or whatever it is) in coke and it explodes?
It happened because he was bored. You try a couple of billion years by yourself in total darkness and tell me it’s fun.
Probably from asda, that’s just round the corner and God only lives 2 doors away.
Hope that helps.
Originally posted by @Stevebish
Originally posted by @Matthew-Le-God
Originally posted by @Stevebish
For me I beleive in god but not in any of the standard religions, and do not beleive in the institutionalisation of religion as that’s when wars start.
Other than that i think all religions are a good thing as they all teach you to respect and look after your fellow man/woman.
Why do you believe in such a God, what evidence do you have?
Why do you need religion to “teach you to respect and look after your fellow man/woman”?
I think you’d also stuggle to justify the statement that all religions teach you that. Christianity and Islam certainly don’t unless you cherry pick from them by ignoring the inconvientiant bad bits (and there is a lot of them!).
But your also cherry picking the bad bits and ignoring the good, as both Islam and Christianity do teach to be good to your fellow man as well.
But as I said earlier I don’t believe in churches or such as that’s when it gets twisted and wars happen.
And as to why I believe in a God of some kind I’m not to sure.
3 & 4) i thought once that the Big Bang theory could be mingled in with it as it stipulates that the universe was a void with matter at the middle and nothing else for billions of years so what changed to make it explode, something had to have been added to it and where did that come from? And was it added to on purpose by some being to create the universe.
Christainity & Islam scripture according to their followers are meant to be the word of God, if there is anything bad about them then the deity they relate to is a flawed God. It matters not that they contain any good things. Can you name any good in a religion that cannot be achieved through secular means? If all good can be achieved without religion, then why do we need religion?
If you are not sure why you believe something, then you should reconsider if you should believe in it at all. It is not a rational way of thinking to believe in something without a good reason.
Regarding your point on the Big Bang, it states time didn’t exist beforehand, so you have a fundamental misunderstanding of it.
If your argument is someone needed to start it or “everything needs a creator”, then you have created a flawed arguement as why can’t that “logic” be applied to the God of the gaps you propose as the answer?
It then becomes an infinite regress of “who created that God?” and “who created that God?”. If you then say "oh but God doesn’t need a creator, then that conflicts with your previous assertion that “everything needs a creator” as you’ve just made an exception which breaks your own claim.
Agree with MLG about the cherry picking, particularly when it comes to Christianity. The Old Testament gives equal weight to the prohibition on men having sex with each other and eating non-kosher food. I don’t see many Christians adhering to the dietary requirements, but prejudice against the gay community is alive and well in countries with large Christian populations. God didn’t make any distinction between these two things, but humans have taken it on themselves to interpret his supposed word to fit their own views.
Why have a pick and mix, there have been schisms and different definitions of God’s word for years, interpretation is their great get out clause.
Load of rubbish really, the Western churches have had to move with the times, the Islamic faith haven’t had their modern day break up yet but it will happen.
Is it ironic that MLG posted a video link and broke the bloody forum?
No. That is unfortunate.
Per Shirty’s assertion, is it ironic that people say that you don’t need religion to be nice and then, without religion in their lives, go on to demonstrate how they are not nice to people on the Internet?
Yes. It’s dramatic irony. We the audience see something that is apparently not known to the actors (posters) that highlights a contradiction in their position.
Is it ironic that MLG says people don’t understand irony and then goes on to demonstrate that he doesn’t understand irony?
Yes.
Sorry, but I don’t think you do understand irony, as that is definitely ironic…
Moron.
I don’t disagree with you and I’m not sure it is god exactly but could be where the older precepts of Mother Earth comes from as it believed all life needed a mother and father and that the planet is our mother.
It is just as possible that what we call God is just a different being we don’t understand yet.
Just as important and probably part of this discussion do you think we have a soul.
Tough one for someone down here to post on.
Living in a truly Multicultural Multi-Faith society we do get a slightly different slant on things (ie we seem weird), so let’s see if I can add something without offending or getting arrested.
Humankind needs Faith. It needs to believe. I’ve learnt that from years of amateur Psychology, Sales Training and watching TSW meltdowns.
Religion fills that gap. The Power of Prayer is a critical and key part of the Human Psyche.
In the modern day Saints FC also fills that gap, we want to believe, we pray, it is in a small way in our darkest subconscious our religion. Equally, in this modern era, your average Trailer Park Trash or Benefits Society Obese stereotype may well have their own belief system - The religion of Celebrity.
Personally, my belief is that there is a “Force” whether it be the internal untapped abilitity of the human mind, some guy with a White Beard, or some Blob of Energy or possibly even just benevolent Aliens. I do not feel the need to Pray to it, nor do I feel the need to Worship it, in fact I don’t feel the need to actually categorise it. I just think something is there.
And that is where I start to differ from “Religion”. Religion is an Interpretation that Interpretation may have been determined by a “Man” or a Prophet.
There is pllenty of eveidence to indicate that Prophets existied in Biblical Times, but much of the World follows the Interpretations of only two of them. Already this thread has discussed how Man has evolved in his understanding of everything (eg Gay Rights, etc) so who (except a true believer) can say that a Prophet who lived here is any wiser than the many who came before.
In fact, according to the Dictionary “a person who foretells or predicts what is to come:” - well many of us are clearly Prophets as we know what is going to happen every time England Qualify for a Football Championship.
The Industy of Religion to me is an issue. The Concept of Religion is not. Many Humans find comfort in belonging, in process and a haven from the chaos of the World. Again, in oour religion we take comfort sitting in the Knae of the Northam, singing our hymns and chanting our prayers, or we sit with our worry beads sharing the experience.
And yet the Industry around that is often not what we feel it should be, it is often false or corrupt. Catholic Priests and Choir Boys, Imams preaching hate, Dutch Football Managers or dodgy South Coast L2 clubs.
The Industry of Religion allows excess, the Eveangelists in America can Preach as much hate as an Imam that was exiled from Saudi for being too Radical even for them. You may blame some of their Congregation for not having the Wisdom to ignore them, but that is like asking Sharon & Tracey not to watch Celebrity Big Brother.
Religion is key to Humanity. Belief is key to our fight to wake up and go to work each morning.
It is just that Human Nature (or Political Correctness) allows that to be hijacked by people who have a different interpretation of what some bloke said 2,000 years ago.
Yeah that was a typical D_P ramble might have got away with that
The Lord gave Man rational thought, and they used it to prove that He doesn’t exist. There is some ironing in that prob.
I’m only concerned about the people who take everything to extremes.
Collect train numbers - but don’t do it everyday and ignore your kids.
Go to football matches - but don’t get withdrawal symptoms if you have a night at home.
Have a faith, but don’t demand of other people that they share your enthusiasm for trains, football or a life instruction manual that was written thousands of years ago.
If your faith is just between you and your god, that’s cool, but allow other people the freedom to have their own beliefs - or favourite stations.
It’s like a lesson in forums - you don’t have to rabidly bully your views onto other people, demanding that they follow your lead.
Originally posted by @Dubai_Phil
Personally, my belief is that there is a “Force” whether it be the internal untapped abilitity of the human mind, some guy with a White Beard, or some Blob of Energy or possibly even just benevolent Aliens. I do not feel the need to Pray to it, nor do I feel the need to Worship it, in fact I don’t feel the need to actually categorise it. I just think something is there.
Me too. Deep down, in the depth of my balls, I feel a yearning emptiness, and know there is more to all this than Science is letting on. I bet that secretly, somewhere in the hidden wiring of MLGs CPU, he feels it too.
sometimes i feel a force but it usually passes if i have a shit.
You calling MLG a moron, is that ironic - as in you do need religion to be nice to people?
I’m losing track TBH.
Something along those lines. Personally I don’t have religion, but maybe I should as I probably would just pity the likes of MLG, rather than calling him names.
However, I do pity BS, so I may have some religion…
I pity you Cherts, I pay for your lost tory soul, I pray one day you’ll be able to join the caring and tolerant side, until then we can only have faith.
Love
Barry xxxxxxx
Just seen this on Twitter
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The QI Elves @ qikipedia 6m6 minutes ago
Word of the day: RAWGABBIT - someone who speaks confidently on a subject of which they know absolutely nothing.
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To be honest it could go on any Bazzer thread!!
Come on Bazza, even you can do better than using my insult as yours. At least you were original when you were calling people whoppers. It feels like your intolerant heart isn’t really in it anymore…