:labour: šŸŒ… Red Dawn - Life Under Labour

Some heavy lifting and huge assumptions there, you are correct on one thing though, the politicians have to forget their principles (don’t try to say they have them to bolster your POV as that’s laughable) and go reform lite to retain power.

I’ve shown my hand after asking, now you show yours?

You can’t and won’t, on the sidelines all pure with no solution. An idealist with well no idea of how to resolve.

You should be able to do better Alastair. First up, complaining politicians have given up on principles to appease voter and then suggesting they do the same again is Not ā€˜offering your hand’ its just making a ridiculous and simplistic statement that is BS. Appeasement on this issue, and you might as well be caught sucking Robinson’s tiny cock… its not a solution, its capitualtion

Next up what hand are you expecting me to offer as such? Jumping to over simplistic solutions without thinking is your approach. If it was simple, do you not think it would have done already?

People fall for snake oil when they have shitty lives and cant see a way out. There needs to be proper localised investment (not token 20m) That see rapid benefits, better investment in community education about the causes of local challenges, visibly no compromise on prosecuting all crimes that locals feel are ignored through over sensitivities to cultural divergence.

This is not some middle class idealism, its the only solution. All other draconian measures even if ā€˜short term’ simply empower the hate filled to go the next step… that is not some intellectual premise but a sad reality… mobs burning hotels where vulnerable people are staying? Think about that for more than a second… how the flying fuck can that be ā€˜justified because people have had ā€˜enough’’ - if you keep justifying it enough, you might as well just join them…

Well offer a viable alternative?

I’m waiting, you can’t though or haven’t yet, just resorted to childish insults.

If your complaining about the current political situation offer an alternative, suggest something?

Above is an example of Reform lite, unthinkable even a year ago, this is my point and the reality. They’re swallowing bile as they look at this but they have to do it.

You’ve an offered a version of what has happened, that’s great, well done.

But going forward how do you propose to counter the rise of the right?

You’re commenting on the past, that’s not relevant going forward to stop reform.

How will they be countered?

You’ve edited and offered something at least, well that approach hasn’t really worked as many old mill towns are now segregated for ever (see Dewsbury) and gone as far as sectarian politics on the local councils.

How can you reconcile with a fundamentalist? What are they prepared to give up?

Alastair, it has not been done and you know. What has been done is tokenism, that is all. Have a good day.

Yes but that tokenism is more than you’ve offered, you think money will change an ideology, that’s naive to be truthful.

Read above, it may help you a bit.

Are you Michael Howard?

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I agree and disagree at the same time, this country has got worse since 2010, part fault of those in power and part not, we need to tackle tax evasion for sure but also to suggest to that governments hold all the cards when its big corps and lobbyists have a big say is disingenuous.

The current government look like a rabbit in the headlights and that is an issue for all mainstream parties, reform sense this and so do the electorate, what is the point Labour saying something and then rowing back on it again and again, the Rwanda scheme cost the tories any chance of being re elected because they looked powerless at implementing their own plans, all proposals nowadays either get vetoed or watered down so much after the Lords have had their hands on them.

Snake oil salesmen will win out as people have been forgotten or see the incumbents powerless, if you have nothing in this country the only thing you have is the NHS but that falls flat when you can’t get an appointment.

And pensions he misses out that millions lose money on their private pension when the state pension goes up as on many schemes the state pension is deducted from your private one so the hard workers are shafted once again.

Add your comments under the video on Youtube…he also does a blog.

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Plasticine Action now labelled a terrorist group? :lou_facepalm_2:

As a Dyslectic I stand with Plasticine Action.

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I was told because of my dyslexia I’d never be any good at poetry.

The joke’s on them, I’ve already made three jugs and a vase.

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You can’t proscribe Morph - he is superb

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The daft thing is - a gazillion of those t-shirts will be produced. A bit like the flags - you tell a Brit that they can’t do something that is clearly daft, they will just do it all the more

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I Hartily agree.

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Exactly, they were told they were racist for voting for Farage so they doubled down on that, either side of the equation its a zero sum game on that and no one wins, we’re just going further apart.

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Some fuckwitt from the Council of Europe has decided to stick his oar into the trans debate in the UK (as well as the Palestine Action debate)

If that is supposed to strengthen the ECHR position in the UK they have a funny way of going about it

16 other nations have signed up to try and overhaul the court as it keeps interfering with domestic policy

The ECHR is a classic example of what is wrong with a collective of nations, one ruling and it’s interpreted in their own national self interest.

It’s a fucking joke.

The whole point of an independent International court IS to challenge national rulings that could leave you in the wrong side of history. Its a ā€˜check and balance’ for national court decisions free from national bias or national government influence. You sign up because as a nation you recognise that your Judiciary might not always get it right… Of course it means it may make decisions that in the short term ho against populist opinion… that is the whole fucking point.

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I don’t think anyone would have any issue if these international bodies stayed in their lane but the don’t

The ECHR was set up to avoid the genocidal crap that was going down in WW2 ever happening again. No one can argue with that. That’s great. Sign me up.

But after a while these supra national bodies are sat their with not much to do so the mission creep starts and now they interfere with domestic policy to an extent where it is unrecognisable when compared to its original charter. Some call this progress, some unwanted interference.

The Common Market did just this - we started as a trade agreement and over time we got a flag, then a president, a parliament, ambassador etc and eventually the UK said enough

Anyway all the major nations in Europe think there is a need to reform the ECHR so it can’t be all that can it?

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