:labour: 🌅 Red Dawn - Life Under Labour

I m a selfish business owner,?? To be frank, fuck off.

You clearly have no idea how bloody hard it is to run a small business. The Ni rises alone wipe out the last 6 months profits. As for dividends given what we have been through business wise we have had very little opportunities for those.

I suspect you haven’t been in a situation where you have cut your own salaryj to ensure your team kept their jobs, like we did during Covid and the financial crisis but then only “selfish business owners” would do that.

Lol.

No my firm isn’t a small business anymore.

Yes I do know how hard it can be to run one.

Funny how many are bleating that NI costs can’t be absorbed (& I don’t know what your company does) but input costs due to inflation can apparently be covered by price rises or reducing dividends/ drawings without the blink of an eye, but NI rises are somehow different because it’s Labour.

It seems from looking at the media most of the people bleating the loudest are those Daily Heil / Torygraph type of readers who are disgruntled that the Tories lost power and who fell for the hysteria pumped out by said “newspapers”.

I think you have been living in the cosseted corporate world too long

The annual cost to an employer of a NMW worker in March 22 was £20,785. The cost in April 2025 will be £29,218, a 40% increase. When most of a businesses employees are at this level like the hospitality trade, they can’t just “grow” their way out of this. They will be lucky if their Turnover has grown at all since Covid.

We’re “lucky”. This is painful, but doable - there are going to be a lot of businesses out their who can’t take it

The reduction in the banding was particularly evil - that adversely impacts the low paid out of all proportion. Why not add an extra 2% on Ers Ni for those employee earning higher tax - those business are more likely to be able to swallow it

Labour are supposed to be the party of people, they have just let the big businesses off the hook and fucked the micro business instead.

But, LOL

Those bleating the loudest appear to be the farmers, (surprise surprise), with the odious gobshite Clarkson leading the charge. But of course, this is what farmers are famous for, if they won the fucking lottery they would be complaining about the colour of the cheque.

The farming one is an interesting conundrum - there are many “farming families” out there that are hedge fund types who have bought a fuck off great estate as a second home / IHT tax planning. I dont think many people would shed a tear for them.

However there are those genuine family farms passed down generation to generation and the only way they will be able to pay death duties is to sell off a chunk of land. Obviously that strategy has its limits because at some point the farm becomes unviable. One of two things will happen, the land ends up in developers hands (which isn’t great for food security) or a corporate farm outfit will buy it which probably isn’t brilliant for the community.

Then if you throw in where the farm is, there are more complications. I am guessing that ÂŁ1m in the cotswolds would barely buy the farm house, let the actual land, whereas in you could probably buy half of scotland for that money.

Maybe they should have said the farmhouse and buildings are exempt plus x number of acres of arable / grazing land. Anything after that is fair game

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Obvious they would go after farmers.
They are an M&A distressed sale opportunity for the elite high end Capitalists

After all they’ve bought most everything else.

There are over 100,000 smallholdings of less than 20 hectares in the UK. They are a depleting resource but very necessary to local economies. It’s generally tough for them to make ends meet as it is and they’re not swimming in cash.

Inflammatory stuff. I’m sure you know things aren’t that black and white.

Cheer up.
Only a week until Trump wins…

Yeah probably too long in the corporate world but the firm started off as an SME so had the growing pains but made sensible plans to grow :man_shrugging:

Anyway, have spent the day analysing the impact of the planned IHT charges on pensions and life benefits (well not me doing the heavy lifting obvs :wink:). Clients clamouring to pay for advice. Kerching! Thank you Labour :+1:

Very much “lol” indeed.

Absolutely. Most UK businesses are SMEs

But it’s like shooting fish in a barrel :wink:

As everybody knows I’m not a fan of Labour as currently constituted

But credit works due

After the removal of the winter fuel allowance I was worried at the burden of taxation was going to fall on the working people

And yes there’s an argument to be made that workers are going to be indirectly affected by the national insurance rise for employers

The argument definitely has merit and especially in service sectors where you can simply get offshore resources. I’m not sure whether the government realises how big this workforce is. I certainly didn’t before joining my new firm

He can’t offshore everything. Some kind of corporeal presence is still required for many jobs. That is not going away.

Until our robot masters arrive

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Of course there’s the massive saving that all of the right wing press and Tory fan boys/girls are avoiding - if employers introduce Salary Sacrifice on pension scheme contributions then NI costs for employers drops significantly- and workers hardly affected if at all - but let’s not stop the knee jerk doom mongers, eh? Clearly a lot of people just believe what they see in the media without stopping to think.

The OBR have said that 75% of the NI rises will be bourne by the workers either through reduced pay rises or through increased prices.

This has been a tax on the low income workers because it won’t touch the sides of some one earning six figures

Yes, but see my post above on one way on how to reduce that, if SMEs have a will :roll_eyes:

There are other legal ways if people bother to speak to their accountants and legal advisers- this is not difficult despite what the media tell them…

I know what you saying - we do some of that, however, is it something that is commonly taken up by 10 person companies or those where they are not that financially savvy? I can’t imagine the local coffee shop or cleaning businesses signing up to a salary sacrifice scheme let alone convincing their staff that it is a good idea

I found out recently I have someone working for me that has opted out of the pension because she doesn’t want to lose the 5%, even though I would match it. And she is not close to NMW.What can you do?

Even for those that have these schemes, salary sacrifice only covers pension contributions - often 5% or something like that, rarely above 10%, which leaves a lot of salary which is going to be subject to the increased NI.

I think the point is about making some sort of saving which would otherwise be taxed.

Typically employers can save up to around c14% via Sal sac on their NI conts, which some do chose to give back via increased employers pension conts.

I doesn’t matter about the size of company tbh, though you’d have to spend some time setting it up. Suggest you talk to your pensions adviser to do it properly

It might be difficult at the lower end because employers NI is only payable over the earnings threshold (cÂŁ175 per week I think)

On the opt outs, there’s no legislating for shortsightedness (or stupidity) If cash is an issue for them they should perhaps be looking for a better paid job? :man_shrugging:

How many staff stay in the same place long enough for a Pension Plan these days?