Your claim was incorrect.
The whole thing was āspun upā by the opposite of your claim.
When has a Brexiter on here ever mentioned blue passports in a serious context?
I stand by my statement, thank you very much.
Brexiteers on here have not really mentioned the blue passport issue, but it would be ridiculous to ignore it in the debate. Why? Because Cummings et al must have guessed it would have an impact on folks given the fact so much was made of it in the right wing MSM during the campaign.
If they were using it as part of their messaging they will have done so in the knowledge that itās exactly the type of thing that resonates with the little englenders, the Daily Mail Readers etcā¦ I would hazard a guess that it resonated with plenty who voted leave.
Perhaps why itās such an easy target now is because the TORY fucking revisionismā¦ the fact they make out that the Burgundy one was enforced on us, a symbol of EU demandsā¦ and how now we are free to take it backā¦ utter and complete bollocks and liesā¦ yet it appeals to a certain part of the general public. Who lap it upā¦ either they donāt care itās lies or they are too stupid to recognise themā¦
Itās certainly had one impact.
Weāve dropped down the Henley Index every year since 2016.
Thatāll keep foreigners out, just itāll be British ones 
Good for you, but it avoids your incorrect statement about who āspun upā the issue.
There was only ever one group(the one in office) that could make it an issue and they duly did.
This whole conversation(like many on this subject) is like a Philip Cross Wikipedia revision of history, or maybe trying to work out how many times a hospital in Aleppo can be destroyed?
The answer is more than you would believe plausible, but that doesnāt stop the revision of history going on(or people believing obvious falsehoods)ā¦
Thatās fucking worrying - not sure that i would have signed up to Brexit if I had known that I would be restricted to 184 countries. Not sure how i am going to live with myself now.
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Your correct, it is worrying that we have dropped three years in a row and are predicted to drop much further.
That shows thereās a real problem and like a desease itās getting worse because the patient refuses to admit the issue.
Dreading telling the Ayatollah that we might not be able to go on holiday to the Central African Republic next year. As for the long dreamed about grand tour of Turkmenistanā¦
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Just a disturbing trend so far. Time will tell how far it goes.
Donāt give up the dream. Turkmenistan will change their minds if we buck our ideas up a bitš
Whereās Turkey and the USofA on that list, you need a Visa to get into both of those countries AFAIK
I donāt understand what point your making.
Weāve needed visas for certain countries and that is now rising year on year. Not a positive impact(thus far).
Iām saying theyāre understating the number of countries that you need Visas for, if you show the destinations that a Visa is required for you get a list of 42 countries
Turkey and the USofA isnāt on that list, so that makes 44 countries. In fact, IIRC, you need a Visa to get in to Canada but you can sign that on the plane, Australia tooā¦
So, I am confused as to what their point isā¦itās not stopping you visiting a country just because you need a Visa to get in to itā¦
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My point was about impact. Some visas can be far more difficult to obtain than others, hence why we try to avoid them.
The number going up canāt be a positive, only a negative of varying degrees depending on where you want/need to travel to.
Talking of visaās I dont understand why entry to Philippines is visa on arrival. Whereas it takes about 2 monthās for a Filipino to get a UK visit visa. Wheres the reciprical visa requirements there?
I went to a party many years ago where i met a couple who had gone to Turkmenistan for their honeymoon. IIRC they spent 3 weeks hitching and camping around both Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. It was a classic case that the bloke loved it (i guess he was a ray mears type of fella) and his new wife going along with it. As the booze flowed, it became obvious that she was less than impressed with having to honeymoon under canvas and tales emerged of robberies, appalling weather conditions and food poisoning. Her forced smile turned into a scowl which turned into a full on strop when i took the opportunity to bang on about how I took the Duchess to the Amalfi coast for our honeymoon for a stint of proper luxury.
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Euphemism if ever there was oneā¦
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So will some leading Brexiteer enlighten us dullards as to where the āeasiest and simplest dealā is that was promised by Gove et al (naturally avoiding expert view)?
Please donāt suggest this is brinkmanship/negotiation tactics - Boris is on record as preferring to plough on with a deal with the US as its less ārestrictiveā - simple truth is a deal with the EU was always going to be difficult because we left to avoid the very ārestrictionsā they will insist uponā¦ from workers rights, to VAT to manufacturing standardsā¦ how long did it take the Canadians?
No the Brexiteers have always been envious of the lax governance on business that is personified by the USā¦ it makes the rich richer without worrying about the impact on the environment, pay and conditions, product labelling etcā¦
Its also why the majority of the labour vote (the real labour vote, not the Sun swingers) voted remainā¦ and stuck two fingers up to Tony Benn - because despite the socialist principles, the EU is by far the lesser of two evils ā¦
Map of Tasmania, 2nd March
As the NHS not being for sale? Harsh as it is, anyone who believes this is frankly stupid. They wonāt āsellā anything g, but they will
*Enable US insurers to provide āUpgradedā queue jumping and access to more expensive drugs for those that can afford itā¦ āa BUPA plusā type thing. Big companies will offer this as a perk and we will have an even more divided two tier service. *
By failing to match NHS funding with real need, it will be eroded to to bare essentialsā¦ and the Tories will proclaim how they provided so much more choice with new providers providing higher standards of care (for those able to afford Ā£300-Ā£1000 a month) ā¦
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What irks me somewhat is the inference that the NHS wasnāt being privatised in the wrong way when we were inside the EU.
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Absolutely. Itās got far more to do with our own government than membership or otherwise of the EU.