Gentlemen. If you want to tear strips out of each other, start a new thread; I’ll sell tickets.
Time and place.
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The hypocrisy level goes up another notch when people try to defend Islam and yet fail to answer questions on homphobia and everything else I have mentioned, it divisive but entirely relevant and the issues we face today are in some part due to our kid gloves and absolute fear of offence at the expense of our own liberal World view.
swf again then
… we will continue to go round in futile circles whilst there is this inability to differentiate bewteen the arguments relating to religeous teachings and what is a politically motivated bunch of muderous cunts intent on causing divisions between peoples for their own warped gain.
I am an atheist because I do not believe in any devine being. I have BIG issues with what is said and preached in the bible (especially old testatment and anything after the Gospels…, many of the Islamic laws and other interpretations of the Quoran…) especially the issues relating to prejudice etc and other 'isms which seem rather common in all religeous teachings…
BUT that is a seperate issue from ISIS and IS terrorist attacks and to confuse the two in the same debate is both dangerous and fundementally wrong. We not really dealing with a religeously driven group. We are dealing with cuntish cowards who are trying to drive a wedge between peoples - typified by the more shameful type headlines as in the Sunday Mail today - the media’s inabilty to differentiate between refugees fleeing these cuntish cowards and the nutters themselves. It plays into their hands - as does looking to pick holes in islamic teachings or interpretations when its completely unrelated to what these dispicable arseholes are trying to do.
Sorry, but IMHO anyone currently going on about the fundemental flaws in religeous teachings (of any religion) is doing exactly what these twats want us to do… and in some cases I do have to question their motives behind this.
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So again no answer just accept people who are not tolerant in to this Country who do not respect our values, is that what you are saying? People conveniently forget followers of Islam choose their religion over the laws of the state all day long whether that be homophobia or equality of women, we can happily talk down about other faiths but not this.
It will go around in circles for years until this question is confronted and answered
Can followers of Islam live in a Western society side by side together in harmony, not a parallel universe, together contributing and respecting everyone of every belief, faith and gender?
Another thing we need to do if we are serious that we dont want these arseholes to divide us is to stop ignoring death in other countries - as those lives are somehow less deserving of our grief. The bombings in Beirut and the dead there should be equally important to us and thus reflected in the media… FFS there is plenty of satire about how news broadcasters seem uninterested in the 250 foreigners killed in a plane crash, until the 2 were found to have held Britaish passports… and yet that twat Cameron ‘warns of British casualties’ What the fuck?
If we are truely to be able to consider ourselves above those that murder and plan tehe death of innocents, we need to ensure everyone understands that we do not place less value on the loss of life of foreign folks than we do on British citizens. Human first, British a very distant second as far as I am concerned.
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Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Can followers of Islam live in a Western society side by side together in harmony, not a parallel universe, together contributing and respecting everyone of every belief, faith and gender?
my mate Faisal does ok I am srs he is good ppl. The worst thing I can say about him, is that he supports Arsenal.
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The only one who seem ‘confused’ is you with you persistent deliberate attempts to link this atrocity to your own agenda. And by doing so revealing more about yourself than perhaps you intend.
Originally posted by @Bearsy
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Can followers of Islam live in a Western society side by side together in harmony, not a parallel universe, together contributing and respecting everyone of every belief, faith and gender?
my mate Faisal does ok I am srs he is good ppl. The worst thing I can say about him, is that he supports Arsenal.
I have a number of relations and friends who are from the faith by birth, they dont practice it, they drink, believe in all people are equal and married people from out of the faith and are cool people, in fact they simply are people not defined by a book.
Stop being such a twat before folk confuse you with an islamophobe… the fact that there are serious issues with ALL religious teachings is not in debate. Most acknolwegde this as well you know so stop fucking about and trying to be a smartarse. IS and ISIS are NOT representative of their ‘faith’ -= they are doing this for other motives … as you know… so just give it afucking rest and stop being such a fuckwit
It sort of makes sense for British deaths to be more prominent in British Press tho don’t it? I mean, cos people might know the bro. If I died I would expect it to be Front Page News over here, but I doubt I would even get a mention in the Afghan Times, cos they don’t know about me over there.
I post and browse on here to avoid this kind of slagging. Shame.
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On an individal basis, I can understnd this… but look how little time and space has been given over to the ISIS bomb attack in Beirut?
I am sorry Sfcsim, but Barry has succeeded in winding me up with his not so subtle phobias… I will try and avoid in future.
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
I have a number of relations and friends who are from the faith by birth, they dont practice it, they drink, believe in all people are equal and married people from out of the faith and are cool people, in fact they simply are people not defined by a book.
We all live to a Code, Barry, whether it is written in Book or not. I.e. I prob live my life to the Laws of United Kingdom, amongst other Rules set by i.e. my Mum & Dad, Baby Jesus, Lenny Henry and respected teachers like that, but like ur mates, and my mate Faisal, I consider them more guidelines. I strictly observe some things, like not going round Killing Bros, or defecating in the street, but some others that I don’t agree with, like driving under 40 mph on the A38 when it’s 2am and quiet, I simply ignore.
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What has been frustrating me Bearsy is that whatever flaws there are in the ‘code’ some chose to adopt and whether or not we should challenge and confront what we consider to be outside of our own values and beliefs, is irrelvent in the case of the Paris or Beirut bombings and shootings - these atrocities are not committed by folks commited to any code, but their own desire to drive a wedge between the West and Islam. Any attempt to link the two is dangerous as its exactly what these arseholes want us to do.
Yes there is certainly a mature debate to be had about what is acceptable when following the teachings of a faith from within another country - and what happens when these teachings go against the laws ( and priciples) of that country, but a thread about these ISIS/IS bombings is surely not the place for it.
Apologies to all for losing it. But its an important context IMHO.
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And there we go, no answer just expletives, I think its blindly obvious a terror group is not going to represent a religion, my point is a book that allows homophobic practice and gender inequality is being brushed under the carpet, CofE has made massive in roads to this front up against the inequality and there is still a long to go, we can hammer them and also the Catholic faith but it has been proven through cultural sensitivities we cant towards the Muslim faith.
I said months ago we should allow in every woman, child, gay and disabled person out from wherever thats needed, men stand in a line and wait your turn to be accessed, that sounds fair to me and also compassionate.
I am a so called Islamaphobe and proudly so for as long as it stands against equality, freedom of expression and gay rights, proudly so, you can throw in any movement that believes in such things and I’ll be a phobe against it.
Can we have a separate thread for this debate?
I’m pretty sure that Jihadi’s have a code.
For example, no reading the Bible, either in public or secretly. No bottling it when going on a terrorism job. No bacon sandwiches (or at least not publicly or in front of new recruits)
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