Originally posted by @SuperMikey
Hmm…
I had been reading this thread from the bottom up so was wondering why the DM was getting so much flak. Now I see! I doubt that even The Sun would have published this. Not what sure what else to say other than I am gobsmacked!
Originally posted by @pap
That sounds like something that someone on the extreme right would say.
Interview from Göring’s Nuremburg diary.
Göring : Why, of course, the people don’t want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.
Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.
Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
Where did I ever say the extreme left were pacifists? You’re getting mixed up with a contientious objector/pacifist, how many were pacifists at Dale farm etc etc?
Thats a poor example citing Nationalism, patriotism is something very different but then again muddying the waters is what the extreme left do so well to hide their Stalinesque tracks.
The Russians got duped by the extreme left, Cuban citiziens became trapped, they are all the same, the sad fact is the extreme left are so arrogant they believe they are actually doing good, shower of twats.
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Where did I ever say the extreme left were pacifists? You’re getting mixed up with a contientious objector/pacifist, how many were pacifists at Dale farm etc etc?
I’m not mixed up at all, dear boy. I think you’ll find its yourself that might need some terms defined. Going by your definition of “extreme left” and the prominence of Dale Farm, it seems clear that your definition is “traveller”.
The extreme right didn’t like them much either.
Thats a poor example citing Nationalism, patriotism is something very different but then again muddying the waters is what the extreme left do so well to hide their Stalinesque tracks.
Again, can we get some examples of how travellers (term now defined) are Stalinists?
The Russians got duped by the extreme left, Cuban citiziens became trapped, they are all the same, the sad fact is the extreme left are so arrogant they believe they are actually doing good, shower of twats.
Yes, the T-59 Eurostar Campervan won the civil war against “The Whites”. Good history lesson, Bazza.
Originally posted by @pap
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Where did I ever say the extreme left were pacifists? You’re getting mixed up with a contientious objector/pacifist, how many were pacifists at Dale farm etc etc?
I’m not mixed up at all, dear boy. I think you’ll find its yourself that might need some terms defined. Going by your definition of “extreme left” and the prominence of Dale Farm, it seems clear that your definition is “traveller”.
The extreme right didn’t like them much either.
Thats a poor example citing Nationalism, patriotism is something very different but then again muddying the waters is what the extreme left do so well to hide their Stalinesque tracks.
Again, can we get some examples of how travellers (term now defined) are Stalinists?
The Russians got duped by the extreme left, Cuban citiziens became trapped, they are all the same, the sad fact is the extreme left are so arrogant they believe they are actually doing good, shower of twats.
Yes, the T-59 Eurostar Campervan won the civil war against “The Whites”. Good history lesson, Bazza.
The extreme left jumped on the dale farm bandwagon Pap, a fight for them was also a fight against the state.
For the love of God.
Just moving you out from the shadows Pap, a good airing is good for the soul.
Originally posted by Barry Sanchez
The extreme left jumped on the dale farm bandwagon Pap, a fight for them was also a fight against the state.
And bailiffs.
For the love of God.
Right. Our sympathies must be with the bailiffs.
Originally posted by @pap
Originally posted by Barry Sanchez
The extreme left jumped on the dale farm bandwagon Pap, a fight for them was also a fight against the state.
And bailiffs.
For the love of God.
Right. Our sympathies must be with the bailiffs.
Of course, why not? Why should there be hate for a person only having to do that job because people decided to ignore the law, I am a law abiding citizen who respects the law, do you respect people who break laws not for a political objective but for their own selfish needs? I thought better of you Pap.
I thought this thread was about the terrorist attack on Paris? Think we have enough political debates elsewhere gents.
I agree, I see they are setting of suicide jackets once they are close to being arrested.
Originally posted by @pap
That sounds like something that someone on the extreme right would say.
Interview from Göring’s Nuremburg diary.
Göring : Why, of course, the people don’t want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.
Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.
Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
This is very chilling and clearly happened when Bush and Balir sold us a war on the back of non existant weapons of mass destruction. It really is scary that no matter how sophisticated we think we have become, we as a mass are still so easily manipulated.
Sorry if this has been mentioned before but I see that two people were killed in Paris earlier who are suspected as being a part of the terror group. A number of officers taking part of the raid wore masks? Is this ok given that they look like terrorists themselves and could get shot by their own people?
I must confess to having little knowledge on the current sartorial trends in Terrorist Chic, but I can only imagine that fella’s “on the same side” probably rely on a bit more than dress code to identify a friend or a foe. After all, have you ever been mistakenly ushered through the players entrance at St Mary’s, just because you are wearing a replica shirt? Not saying it hasn’t happened, SOG, just wondering, like.
Originally posted by @Sadoldgit
A number of officers taking part of the raid wore masks? Is this ok given that they look like terrorists themselves and could get shot by their own people?
Was the masks like i.e:
As much as I was sceptical of the war on terror I’m not sure Blair went in on a patriotic agenda, his selfish christian crusade perhaps.
And why oh why is France bombing, its all very sad and self descructive.
I know this is from a ‘news’ paper that have very little credibility at the moment, but fantastic work if true. If it is true, then why is this not headline news on the BBC? Is it because it does not panic the public?
If you want to avoid gratuitous pictures of dead bodies in the Bataclan concert hall then you should avoid the SWF thread. Somebody thought it necessary to make those scenes seen with no forewarning. Prick.
If you want to avoid gratuitous twatishness then you should avoid that SWF thread
Why would anyone do that? Why would they need to? Who are trying to convince that this was a barbarous act?
Descriptions of IS as mere criminals, psychopaths, uneducated religious fanatics etc are complacently simplistic: the psychology driving their appeal, especially their appeal to young people, is, disturbingly, far more complex, imo
The debate as to how our 21st century world has arrived at a situation whereby people dismiss fellow humans as infidels or apostates before inflicting unspeakable atrocities upon them is an interesting one; but far more pertinent, and probably more difficult, is the debate as to where the fuck we go from here.
Any belief that the non-IS world can rationalise with, negotiate with, or in anyway appease IS is naive to the point of absurdity, imo.
To do nothing - i.e. allow IS to gain ever more territory unopposed - is an unpalatable option, especially for those not prescribing to IS’s doctrines, which, of course, includes millions of neighbouring Muslims, many, many of whom have already been mercilessly slaughtered by IS.
Increasing the rate of air strikes serves to increase the rate of new IS recruits. Adopting isolationist policies - closing borders etc. - will, almost certainly, ultimately, serve likewise.
Increasing arms supplies and other support to neighbouring armies or militias has proved in the past to be problematic - to put it mildly.
Sending Western ground troops is exactly what IS wants: it has been prophesied and will signify the beginning stages of The Apocalypse, apparently. Whether or not that proves to be the case, it’s impossible to imagine anything other than bloody carnage.
In short, it’s all a miserable, depressing, brain-fuck.
Thank heavens it’s Friday.
This is an interesting read, imo - albeit quite long and written in March
Edit: I’ve just realised it’s only Thursday, ffs.