Corbyn’s Brighton rally last night. There were people queuing outside as well.
EDIT: Added outside pic.
Did an article called Is Owen Smith there to win?
It’s why I’ve been quiet on this thread today
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Sympathetic Brightonian that I am, I would like to believe Corbyn has a chance at the next election - I do think he will still be leader whenever that happens (next spring is my guess). However, my role as a teacher at a school which teaches the children of many ex-Labour, now UKIP voting, parents tells me he will not reach these people. If he is going to win he needs to persuade new voters. I think he is unlikely to persuade enough in the time-frame. Agree it’s not certain though and that the electorate is unpredictable at the mo…
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Tangential as this may be, how would you envisage this happening? It’s something that any number of people are saying - May will call an election in the near future. But how will she get round the law introduced by her own government (in which she was Home Secretary), that enforces fixed-term, five-year Parliaments?
The obvious way would be for the government to table a bill overturning this law. But such a cynical move would carry with it a massive risk. The electorate don’t generally like election campaigns all that much, and seeing a government overturn a law on fixed-term parliaments purely in order to call a snap general election could easily see some heavy punishment being meted out to that government.
Were such a bill to be proposed and unanimously supported by all parties, on the basis that a general election was deemed necessary, five-year rule or no five-year rule, I could see that working without disadvantaging any particular party. But the time for any such event is surely gone now; it would have had to happen (or at least to be agreed) very soon after Cameron’s resignation to appear legitimate.
Other than that, what means exist to bring about an early end to a parliament? The government could resign, but that wouldn’t affect the parliament - and it’s the parliament that is elected, not the government.
I can’t see any way that May can call an election, try as I might. As I said at the start of this post, many columnists and commentators have speculated on the likelihood of a snap election, so I’m not aiming this at you. I’d just like to know how anyone envisages this happening. Is it just the case that people keep forgetting the five-year parliament law, given that it’s still very new? Or is there some means of calling an election outside of the five-year cycle that I don’t know about?
Fair question - to be honest I had put the 5 year rule to the back of my mind as inconsequential. My cynicism leads me to think that the present shower would have no issue working around it if they thought it served their purpose - it’s hardly a matter of ideology after all. How they’d sell it? Could be any number of reasons revolving around getting a new mandate. I reckon that if the economy properly looks like it’s going to shit for the long term they will find a way to buy another couple of years… But I agree in terms of the risk/benefit. At the moment there doesn’t look much of a benefit - but nor risk if Corbyns unelectibility is accepted.
There is a typo in the last paragraph: here’s instead of he’s.
Otherwise B+. A good start to the term young Taylor.
Thanks, sir.
Typo sorted.
There’s a leader’s debate tonight - starting at 7pm.
It’ll be streamed from Labour’s website.
Manuel Cortes again.
PASOK in Greece and Labour’s catastrophic collapse in Scotland indicated the real danger of simply continuing with politics as usual but last year, our party’s elite didn’t go beyond the old sound bites – never mind provide the boldness required to face the challenges of our time and prevent our party from suffering the fate of the dinosaurs.
Wind the clock forward 12 months and this leadership contest is being fought completely on Jeremy’s political terrain. Austerity is now acclaimed as a political evil choice not an economic necessity. Labour is now committed to bringing our railways back into public ownership. And, across our party, we are now committed to scrapping anti-union laws, redistributing wealth, increasing taxes on the rich and corporations and building a new economy which works for the 99 per cent. Jeremy has transformed our Party and shifted the entire centre of our country’s political gravity to the left and he hasn’t even been in post for a year! Not a small feat for someone criticised for his so-called inability to lead.
Out of interest, where is this £500bn of extra investment that Corbyn is referring to going to come from.
Originally posted by @CB-Saint
Originally posted by @pap
There’s a leader’s debate tonight - starting at 7pm.
It’ll be streamed from Labour’s website.
Out of interest, where is this £500bn of extra investment that Corbyn is referring to going to come from.
You do know this country can issue its own currency, right?
Mark Carney announced that we’re doing were printing more money to provide an economic stimulus.
If we can find 200Bn for Trident, we should be able to find 500Bn for these programmes, especially if we start getting a proper slice of all the corporate profits currently residing in Luxembourg or the Caymans.
So we just fire up the presses and print off £500bn? If it is that easy why don’t we keep the presses running a little longer and wipe out the national debt.
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I’m sure i saw interview where corbyn said he would borrow the moneys
Ah, So if we borrow that money, say over 25 years we are going to have to find 30bn every year in capital and interest for 25 years.
Where is that coming from then cos I am pretty sure that George has had his hand down the back of every sofa in whitehall looking for spare change over the last 6 years?
We’ve done the exact same before, except gave it to the banks, and got nowt to show for it. This will create jobs and housing, improving our attractiveness to investors.
Let’s not pretend that our money is finite and sitting under a dragon somewhere. It’s based on nothing but the three B’s. Belief, banks & bailiffs.
Hardly the noblest system to be entirely respecting.
No need to worry at all, the economy is booming - all the signs are there.
I have a sneaking suspicion if it were as simple as you say, the BoE and the government might have tried this.
Have a read of this - it explains why it might not work as you suggest
ps - properly done link ^
There’s a huge difference between printing money for debt and printing money for infrastructure. Risk, for one.
There is a school of thought that says the _only _reason you should print money is for infrastructure. It is discussed in detail in that Money as Debt video I linked on TSW.
might help if they had a decent stream for the debate 
Corbyn is by far getting the better of Smith on the leadership debate, a cat playing with a mouse.