:labour: New Old Labour in trouble

Well, Twitter is full of people imposing context on comments, tweets, rhetoric, etc in order for them to get upset at that very imposition, so they can proclaim their indignation and feel better about themselves.

Hardly a barometer of rational thought.

My point was not about whether his speech was successful, but about your aligning selected fragments of his speech to a condonation of domestic violence.

Originally posted by @Numptyboi

Well, Twitter is full of people imposing context on comments, tweets, rhetoric, etc in order for them to get upset at that very imposition, so they can proclaim their indignation and feel better about themselves.

Twitter is a service that allows the public to express an opinion.

I know that you shouldn’t believe everything you read on Twitter, but to suggest it can’t be used to gauge public opinion is faintly ridiculous. That’s its whole reason for existing :lou_sunglasses:

Hardly a barometer of rational thought.

It’s also nowt like the freakshow you describe.

My point was not about whether his speech was successful, but about your aligning selected fragments of his speech to a condonation of domestic violence.

I’m not saying he condones domestic violence. If I were in his camp, I’d be worried that this is the second time he’s made such a gaffe about domestic violence specifically, and the fourth time he’s been caught making a sexist comment of some kind.

I am saying that he shows poor judgement when picking his rhetoric. Amazed that made it through the filters really. Ad lib, perhaps?

The veracity of content on Social media reminds me of an old quote by John Wannamaker, He once said " Half of the money I spend on advertising is wasted: the trouble is I don’t know which half"

Half of what you read on social media is bullshit: the trouble is knowing which half.

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Most of the stuff on social media takes the exact same format. Link + a bit of commentary. It is an excellent resource for finding articles.

Borrowed for twitter.

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Does anyone find pap’s contributions on this thread bit annoying? I feel like there is a widely acknowledged and self-evident truth, i.e that Corbyn will never become Prime Minister, and everyone is on board with this, except pap. He seems to spend his time exaggerating the length and girth of JCs political acumen, and making increasingly outlandish claims about JCs opponents, and it’s like he’s trying to convert us, but no-one is buying.

In nutshell, this is the papsweb Stadium Expansion thread, and pap is MLG, and everyone else is Turkish.

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Oh, so when Sfcsim posts picture of Tim Minchin with inspirational quote about sticking to your guns, multiple upvotes ensue.

But when I conduct a 15 month long defence of Jeremy Corbyn and socialist principles, I’m somehow obsessed? :lou_wink_2:

Anyways, by your logic Furball has realised that obvious truth.

Brr.

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I didn’t understand the frbl comment. I think ur obsess with him too.

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And thus, the people did build him a statue.
For it was he, Owen Smith, that destroyed zero hour contracts
Replacing them with “not-zero hours” contracts.
The people rejoiced at their guarantee of an hour of a work a week*

*Unless Owen knows fractions

He’s on the other end of the Corbyn scale, unless you can think of anyone more critical.

Trying to string that Owen bloke up with the ‘smash her back on her heels’ piece is fucking laughable quite frankly. Still, I guess if you’re looking for something you’re more likely to find it.

Who is stringing him up?

It is what it is. Very poor phrasing from someone vying to be Prime Minister.

Originally posted by @pap

Very poor phrasing from someone vying to be Prime Minister.

It really isn’t.

Originally posted by @TheCholulaKid

Originally posted by @pap

Very poor phrasing from someone vying to be Prime Minister.

It really isn’t.

I am unmoved by your rationale, sir, expansive such as it is :lou_wink_2:

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surely it’s just playing them at their own game. Everything Corbyn says is pulled apart and misinterpreted deliberately. No one can complain when the other sides statements are used against them. I’m expecting some deep history on Smith because i’m always reading what Corbyn said in the 80’s.

Social media really is a wonderful tool but don’t believe anything that doesn’t supply links(feel free to discard this link free post).

I’ve just seen womenshit’s proposal for taxation.

Fuck having a credible opposition

Go Jezza

Would it hit you particularly hard then?

Certain aspects might in the longer term, but I think his proposals would be detrimental generally

for instance he would reinstate 50% tax (fair enough I suppose) , however on top of that he would impose an additional 15% on investment income. (Dividends , interest and rent)

so an effective top rate of 65%

whilst targeting the wealthy is a normal practice for labour, the super wealthy are not going to hang around if the govt are helping themselves to that much.

I saw this in the comments on the Guardian site and chuckled.

"

Labour continues to be full of surprises.

Eighteen months ago, none of us would have believed that there could possibly be a worse option for leader than Ed Miliband. Then up popped Jeremy Corbyn.

A month ago, none of us would have believed that there could possibly be a worse option than Corbyn. Then up pops ‘normal’ Owen Smith, combining the smarm of Blair at his oiliest, the looks of Hollande, the sexism of Berlusconi, and the brain of an unusually slow chimp.

It’s symptomatic of the fact that talented and decent people now view party politics with utter revulsion. We’re fecked."

Twitter is also full of teenage girls that can’t vote, or if they could Brad from the Vamps would be PM by now.

The problem with Twitter is that it fools people into thinking that it is representative of society. It’s not, it’s a very small cross section of certain demographics, and Twitter therefore cannot be used to accurately reflect public opinion.

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