Angela is out of the race.
The Eagle is stranded.
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Owen Smith doesn’t strike me as a leader personally, but be interesting to see what happens.
I think he’ll get pummelled in the leadership contest. Shocking state of the plotter effort if that is the best they can muster. He has links to Pfizer, wants to privatise the NHS, but didn’t vote for wars. It was never going to be enough. He’s up against a candidate already ticking all the boxes, and I genuinely don’t see him as any more electable than Corbyn.
There were reports that if they lose the September poll, 150 rebels are going to form a breakaway faction called Continuity Labour. Someone needs to give them history and PR lessons. If anything, Corbyn being about is a ping back to old continuity, taken off the timeline by the centrist projects.
Also, calling yourself “Continuity anything” when one of the last groups to hit the national news similarly prefixed was the Continuity IRA, probably ain’t the best move to pull in Britain.
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Originally posted by @pap
Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint
Owen Smith doesn’t strike me as a leader personally, but be interesting to see what happens.
He has links to Pfizer
Michelle? If so, he has my vote. Phwoar!
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Taking this into consideration, as was originally put forward, do you still not see Corbyn’s tenure as damaging for the Labour party.
How’s that whole non-nationalised railway thing working out for you? 
I’m not particularly into privatisation myself…would be happy to nationalise the railways again if it worked. However, the main issues are due to the infrastructure which is still nationalised I believe…
Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint
Taking this into consideration, as was originally put forward, do you still not see Corbyn’s tenure as damaging for the Labour party.
Not at all. I think it would have been if he’d quit, but having someone maintain his dignity like that during some very nasty personal attacks, stand his ground and stare them down is precisely the sort of thing that we say politicians have been lacking.
It’s not like he’s enforcing his will. Throughout, his approach was to keep things civil and let the membership decide. Given the rather meek way Eagle exited the contest, I would like her to consider the damage she has done to the Labour Party during this period.
Her CLP have disowned her, and she has purposefully accused Labour supporters of being responsible for a brick being thrown through her “constituency window”.
They can say what they want about his leadership. The shoddy way they’ve conducted themselves means n one is listening, and while some may form a flash in the pan New Parliamentary Party and New Opposition (shock horror!), near all of them will lose their seats at the next GE.
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Originally posted by @pap
Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint
Taking this into consideration, as was originally put forward, do you still not see Corbyn’s tenure as damaging for the Labour party.
Not at all. I think it would have been if he’d quit, but having someone maintain his dignity like that during some very nasty personal attacks, stand his ground and stare them down is precisely the sort of thing that we say politicians have been lacking.
It’s not like he’s enforcing his will. Throughout, his approach was to keep things civil and let the membership decide. Given the rather meek way exited the contest, I would like her to consider the damage she has done to the Labour Party during this period.
Her CLP have disowned her, and she has purposefully accused Labour supporters of being responsible for a brick being thrown through her “constituency window”.
They can say what they want about his leadership. The shoddy way they’ve conducted themselves means n one is listening, and while some may form a flash in the pan New Parliamentary Party and New Opposition (shock horror!), near all of them will lose their seats at the next GE.
This wasn’t a wind up BTW, was genuinely interested in what you thought. Personally I am still of the same opinion, but if Owen Smith is the best they can come up with then may as well keep Corbyn and let the dissenters go.
Owen Smith wants to privatise the NHS? Hadn’t heard that one before - any links?
It’s not quite starting at square one, either. I’m not going to sit here and pretend that Corbyn’s first cabinet was borne of his own free will. From the outset, he was trapped. If he didn’t pick right wingers, he’d be accused of not being able to bring unity within the PLP.
Thing is, he’s played a blinder in respect to his attitude to them. Acknowledged the problem, but always kept doors open, even after the coup entered its 15th day. The rebels have played and burned that card now. They cannot accuse Corbyn of not trying for party unity when they’ve done everything to wreck it.
He doesn’t have to keep them, and for all the talk of a split, they know they’re finished politically outside the Labour Party.
I like this t-shirt.
Craig Murray has a good, but relatively succinct piece.
Owen Smith, meet scrutiny.
You’ll never have met scrutiny before, not properly. People tend not to scrutinise things they’re not interested in. The Labour leader you’re challenging knows scrutiny. The first week he was elected, his fellow PLP members decided to highlight aspects of their scrutiny on him to the national media.
Angela Eagle, the person that dropped out of the race, faced scrutiny. She lasted a couple of weeks before it all became too much.
Now Jeremy has been almost a year in the job. After the effort expended to get him out in the Chicken Coup without a democratic contest, I think it’s fair to say that the PLP’s best have been chucked and missed. He has survived the scrutiny.
Will you?
Must admit i have been thinking of paying the £25 to help defeat this bunch of snakes. How about a link Pap?
Once they lose i do hope they are going to use their obvious influence with papers like the guardian and get some positive press going. It’s been shocking to watch how they lie and plot and brief the press to destroy their own party.
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It’s a disgrace that you even have to pay this, but here:-
http://www.labour.org.uk/pages/labour-party-leadership-election-2016
Cheers Pap. Am i right in thinking it’s up to 5pm today then no vote after that?
Truly surprised that i am even contemplating joining a political party. The indifference shown to the members and the lies told by the plp leaves me wondering if any of them can have a future even if Corbyn loses. They have disrespected the membership and the general public with lies and half truths that won’t be easily forgotten.
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Deadline is 5pm, and that 25 quid doesn’t buy you membership. That’s just a vote. One of the most ridiculous aspects of this farce is that members signed up in the last six months, that have made a genuine commitment to joining the party, can’t automatically vote, yet anyone with 25 quid can.
But yeah, they’ve shown their true colours during this coup. I don’t think they ever comfortably get to wear red again.
Just listened to Radio 5 Live - they had Angela Raynor on. She was terrible - almost ranting. Now I know JC has limited options for people for his front bench, but if that is the calibre of what he is using to challenge the govt. then the govt and particularly Justine Grewening are in for an easy ride.
She’s three weeks into the job, and she reflects the people she represents more than any Tory.
