:labour: New Old Labour in trouble

Lindsay German of Stop the War making some germane points.

At the risk of bringing down pap’s wrath…

Think Corbyn had a bit of a shocker at pmq’s today. Questions weren’t very focused, and allowed things to be turned on him too easily. Before then getting visibly irritated. I know he isn’t a fan of the Punch & Judy style of pmq’s/Westminister politics, and I’m not either, but I feel that he could do with improving on this a bit.

Also, how on earth did he not go to town on the Mayoral results? Or the vile campaign they run, or Cameron using 2 pmq sessions to recite the Islamaphobic attacks on Khan. That election alone is one of the best results for Labour recently.

I do like Jezza, mostly, but I feel he needs to toughen up a bit.

Cue the ear bashing…

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Maybe Corbyn should start asking his questions in this manner…

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I don’t know if it is inexperience or just his character, but JC does miss a lot of opportunities to kick the govt in the balls, there has been more than enough material. He seems to miss the killer instinct.

I can see myself getting bunged out of the Labour Party if I carry on “engaging” with Blairite MP’s.

I did this for Jess “I will knife Corbyn in the front” Phillips.

We sort of “chat” on Twitter.

Ah Pap. I can’t quite make my mind up about her.

Here’s the thing. I would really like to like her, but she does so many ill considered or unlikable things that all the likable stuff looks suspect and engineered.

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More bad news for Jezza and Labour.

Gillian Duffy, of “Bigotgate” fame, has quit the Labour party over JC’s leadership :lou_facepalm_2:

Why the heck is this news?!

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More bad news for Jezza and Labour.

Gillian Duffy, of “Bigotgate” fame, has quit the Labour party over JC’s leadership :lou_facepalm_2:

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/gordon-browns-bigoted-woman-quits-labour-jeremy-corbyn/

Why the heck is this news?!

It wasn’t as good as when Robert Webb quit, to be honest.

Jeremy Corbyn has added to mounting speculation that he wants Ed Miliband in his shadow cabinet by refusing to be pinned down on the former leader’s return.

During an interview on Pienaar’s Politics on the BBC’s Radio 5 the Labour leader spoke highly of his “great friend” while on the EU referendum campaign trail.

Asked if he wants the Doncaster MP back in the shadow cabinet, Mr Corbyn refused to rule out the possibility and replied: “That is all for the future.”

He added: “He is a great friend, he has worked very hard as Labour leader in the past, he was a great environment secretary and I am delighted to be with him here today in his constituency.”

Defending Mr Miliband over the party’s election defeat, Mr Corbyn added: "Ed is not a great loser, Ed is a great asset.

"Yes he led the party, yes we did not win the general election - we all know that.

“But Ed fought a strong campaign - he raised the issue of justice at work over zero hours contracts and issues like that, and I have a lot of respect and a lot of time for Ed.”

telegraph

Ed is still a much loved figure by many of the Labour lot. Juvenile Unit #1 and her mates still like him, despite the loss. The first shift in opposition after being turfed out of government is not an easy one. Ed’s biggest problem was lacking the personal conviction, confidence and political maneuveuring room that ironically, JC now has.

The Tories are _still _trying to blame everything on pre-2010 Labour, and this is six years after taking office. Back then, this shit actually worked, so I do have quite a bit of sympathy for Miliband for having to deal with that. I also think he was treated appallingly by the national media, particularly over the bacon sandwich incident and his father, but it comes back to that confidence thing.

A huge part of that comes from knowing who you are, and what you will and won’t stand for. Corbyn and McDonnell have already had far more shite heaped their way than Miliband ever got, and either fessed to it (when it was true) or knocked it back (when it wasn’t). I never got the impression that Miliband had the confidence.

Vice News have done a piece on Corbyn. He has some choice things to say about the BBC and their reporting.

Lol, how high was his voice when he was younger?

However, this points to much bigger issues for the Labour party, especially Corbyn…

That’s mentioned in the video.

Seamus Milne admits as much on film. People will reach their own conclusions but that looks like an all access film at a very difficult time. Corbyn handles himself very well throughout.

Cameron looks like a squeezed bollock when he gets a difficult question at PMQs.

Some parts look a little manufactured (when’s he’s on the phone in the car talking about the anti-semetic shit), but he comes across as he usually does, quiet and inoffensive. A bit like IDS when he was leader of the Conservatives.

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3/10 for the trolling attempt.

We all remember the 400K strong Conservative party that IDS had at his command :lou_lol:

It’s not the politics involved, more just the ineffectiveness of the leadership I’d say. Unfortunately, any other Labour leader of the past 30 years would be streets ahead of the Conservatives by now. For some reason it seems Jeremy isn’t bothered about popularity (I admire him for that), but that’s not the way to be of you’re trying to run to be the next PM.

I think there will only be one big winner when it comes to it, with the Tories trying to smack themselves up as the Labour Party aren’t doing it for them, and that’s Tim Farron.

I don’t think Tim Farron is a big threat to either Cameron or Corbyn, because I speak for the Common Man, and can confirm that We’ve Never Heard Of Him.