:labour: New Old Labour in trouble

How do you know it’s not from Corbyn, his office or his advisors?

shutup toryboy, JC wouldn’t do something like that

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I once saw him kick a child, so I bet he would.

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Are New Old Labour not in trouble?

Do we close the thread?

Does Cherts start a new one called “Fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck!”?

Please excuse the rhetoric. Still plenty of stuff to overcome within their own Parliamentary party, but not a bad moment.

I thought he was already above Cameron in these stakes? Also, why does this matter one jot when Cameron’s not going to be fighting the next campaign?

There have been a couple of polls in which Corbyn was ahead, but they lacked any sort of corroboration and people were referring to them as rogue. Now that we’re starting to get a few more in, we have a better idea.

As much as an alleged, non-suing pig fucker that Cameron may be, who else do they got? Boris? Osborne?

I reckon, and here’s my left field choice, Stephen Crabb. It’ll be him or Boris. The thing with Boris is, if you want to take notice of these polls, there is no doubt that Boris is a popular figure, so Corbyn will likely get hammered.

Also, as mentioned in that article:

"Ben Page, the pollster’s chief executive however warned that Mr Corbyn’s net score may be exaggerated because he had a lower recognition rate, having been only in the job since September.

There has been speculation that Mr Corbyn’s satisfaction rating with the pollster – his highest with any firm – may also be exaggerated by Conservatives saying they are satisfied with what they perceive as his poor performance."

Corbyn addressing the NUT and speaking about the academisation process. Gets a slightly better reception than Nicky Morgan got off the NASUWT :lou_wink_2:

Has any Tory ever received a warm welcome at any Union gig. There is something masochistic about wanting to stand up in front of several thousand people who are likely to hate you.

Not for a long time. I think it probably has something to do with their decades long quest to destroy unions and workers rights in general. Thatcher hated unions so much that she killed industries to get to them.

Tough crowd for Tories, but its probably worth acknowledging that a hypothetical right-leaning Labour leader would not command the authenticity that JC has.

Nicky Morgan’s essential problem was no-one believing the government’s weather reports when she was pissing down their backs.

Most people dislike the unions until they have seen what they have done for the workers, more so than any elected Government.

This isn’t a labour party any union man would recognise, and to be fair Corbyn probably doesn’t either and he isn’t even a coalface activist.

Skinner was, is and will always be the pin up boy of fairness, dignity and better conditions for all.

David Davies and Ken Clarke are as fair as you going to get in that sense, most union people would listen to their opinions.

Bwa ha ha!

Several prominent Blairite MPs have vowed to intensify their abstentions in the wake of the Port Talbot crisis.

An anonymous Labour MP told Newscrasher: “Our campaign of abstentions has been highly effective at providing opposition to the Tories, in a way that Jeremy’s actual opposition has not.”

“Not only have we allowed the passage of numerous bills that cruelly victimise the poor. We have also propagated the myth that as a non-Blairite, Jeremy Corbyn is unable to mount any effective opposition to the Tories with whom I share so much common ground.”

Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez

Most people dislike the unions until they have seen what they have done for the workers, more so than any elected Government. This isn’t a labour party any union man would recognise, and to be fair Corbyn probably doesn’t either and he isn’t even a coalface activist. Skinner was, is and will always be the pin up boy of fairness, dignity and better conditions for all.

Good job that the union women do then. Coalface activist? Unions have changed due to many of those industries being destroyed. It’s 2016 after all. I’d defo not listen to anything Ken Clarke has to say as a trade unionist.

Ken Clarke and workers’ rights go together like fish and solar panels.

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This is refreshing

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I’d just read that and was about to post a link on here, but you got there first (by several hours! :lou_wink:).

I’ve often wondered whether Corbyn’s lack of media polish, and his obvious willingness to actually talk to and engage with people, would be well received. It seems that in this instance it has been. Not sure that I’d read too much into it, as the chances are that the area of Bristol he was in was more likely to furnish people broadly sympathetic to him, but nevertheless it’s good to see a party leader do this at alll.

We live in an age where pretty much all encounters involving high-level politicians are managed to the minutest detail. There’s been a hefty amount of research that indicates that the current level of stage-management is a major factor in people feeling disengaged from the political process; this tends to reinforce that feeling.

Of course, it would be interesting to see how Corbyn would handle an encounter with a more hostile set of people. I can’t help feeling, though, that he would still talk to them and attempt to engage with them.

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If he was surrounded by a less cheery crowd you’d hope he might be in touch with his inner-Prescott and punch someone, but I fear he’d just turn the other cheek.

That is a nice change. More change than Ed “2p” Miliband. This, along with the bacon sarnie image, was one of the pictures that sank him. What the fuck was he thinking?

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Sorry I’ve not been active in this topic before – whilst I’m more bottom left than Sadio’s Liverpool finish – I just do not support the system of politics we currently operate under at all (Direct Democracy for me) so I don’t really have much to offer the conversation. Just wanted to say though that it was indeed a good article, and subsequent analysis.

I believe the anti-Corbyn media frenzy (whatever he says or does will always be “wrong”) is quite simply an Establishment freudian slip which tellingly reveals the sheer extent of their fear and panic – that regardless of his actual politics, here we have a down-to-earth, humble, accessible politician, who not only says what he believes, and believes what he says – he actively shuns all the plastic political bollocks and glossy fabricated media spin, to engage with people on a personal level. Not “voters” – People. Human beings. And he genuinely listens to what the bloke on the street has to say, giving time to their concerns, and relates to them in a way that I don’t think has been seen for a very long time, in this country.

People, regardless of their so called political ‘alliegiances’, see in him a certain reality, that is so out of place with the modern thoroughly stage-managed, hypnotic machine of poisonous political propaganda they’ve been conditioned to accept as normal, over the course of time. Jeremy Corbyn breaks that mold, and does so in such a way as to stand out like a bright red beacon in the grey mists of uniformed conformity.

This makes him very dangerous to the Establishment indeed. They will likely stop at nothing to bring about his downfall.