:labour: New Old Labour in trouble

Originally posted by @KRG

Yeah, I dunno about that pap.

Maybe it’s different up your way, but JC seems much more polarising a figure in my experience. People seem to generally love him, or think he is crazy.

You’re probably forgetting that I travel a lot. In the past seven days alone, I’ve been in Southampton, County Down and the North West. I’m also frequently on your turf. He comes up in conversations a lot, particularly since Juvenile Unit #1 met him the other week.

I’ve only seen negative stuff online, or from people I already know from online that I’ve met in real life. The most frequent criticism I hear of the bloke online is about him talking to republican paramilitaries before the government did.

Originally posted by @pap

He comes up in conversations a lot

No doubt. Ur worse than Btripz with his kitchen photos.

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Labour party likened to Homer Simpson

It’s a good job that those ultimately assessing Corbyn are the voters, and not people that consistently write articles against his leadership.

Alexei Sayle is not in favour either :lou_sunglasses:

Here’s his third problem with Corbyn.

The Arab World. As, frankly, something of a Middle East bore, the sort of chap who knows his Hamas from his Hezbollah, it has given me great pleasure over the years to see how all western governments have mismanaged their relationships with the Arab world. The philosopher George Santayana (before he formed his Latino-influenced guitar band) once wrote: ”Those who forget the lessons of history are condemned to repeat them.” The western powers seem to have adopted that as a game plan. This blind stupidity has meant I can go on at parties about things such as how Iraq will never be calm until an accommodation is reached between the Shia regime in Baghdad and the “Sunni triangle” (I don’t get invited to parties much any more). Though he was knocked back over Syria, there seems to me to be an alarming lucidity about Corbyn’s attitude towards the region which I don’t like.

New poll puts Labour and the Tories neck and neck.

I know that polls haven’t been super-reliable lately.

His aproval rating has improved because he has kept his head below the parapit.

The Tories on the other hand are making all sorts of unpopular decisions which understandingly will affect their approval rating - how many junior doctors are loving the tories right now?

What is scary for Labour is that they should be miles ahead given just how much the tories are pissing off the country right now

Which is not something that we did not predict. By its very constitution and apparent motivation, this government was always going to make unpopular choices. Oddly, the EU referendum might have been one of the more popular choices it has made.

And let’s not pretend that Corbyn should be “miles ahead”. This is a man that has had to fight hostile press, often set up and spiked by bitter members of his own Parliamentary party. No opposition leader starts from the same place as the government. I’d argue that Corbyn has had to cover more ground than most, and still has to deal with many of those issues day to day.

If Labour has pulled level, then he deserves credit for helping to make that happen.

Not saying Corbyn should be miles ahead - I am saying Labour should be miles ahead (and probably would be with another leader).

Labour are in the news today following the publication of a list, alleged to be from Corbyn’s supporters, which places the parliamentary Labour Party into five groups, depending on their attitude to JC himself. The Bitterites have predictably already seized on it as being an “enemies list”.

Corbyn’s office reckon they didn’t produce it.

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I keep a similar list of all the papsweb bros. It would be v.embarrass if it was leak.

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Originally posted by @pap

Labour are in the news today following the publication of a list, alleged to be from Corbyn’s supporters, which places the parliamentary Labour Party into five groups, depending on their attitude to JC himself. The Bitterites have predictably already seized on it as being an “enemies list”.

Corbyn’s office reckon they didn’t produce it. ut

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/23/labour-mps-hostile-corbyn-leaked-party-document

Predictably Cameron has worked this one to death. And where was the Chancellor? There in body but look at the eyes. He’s gone walkabout again!

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Why wouldn’t you have a list

This lot I don’t need to woory about because they would follow me through hell and back, no questions asked

This lot I need to chop off at the knees because they hate me and will mischief makea a drop of a hat

This lot in the middlewho are neutral need to be charmed and persuaded to convince to stay on side -

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Just goes to show how quickly something can be spun into an attack. Even if this is legit, it isn’t an enemies list.

Given the state of the Parliamentary Labour Party, it’d probably be more disappointing if someone weren’t trying to manage the problem.

So a list has appeared.

Not from Corbyn, nor from his office or advisors.

Top story!

Next…

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i ain’t bothered bout them having list srs, but i don’t like how they’re lying bout it. Leave the lying to the tory bros pls corbyns, they’re better at it.

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Alan Whitehead is in the “neutral, but not hostile” camp. As my MP, I’m glad he won’t get Whole Lotta Rosie coming down here giving him a chinese burn.

It is yet another distraction from what should have been the main event ie Labour kicking the shite out of DC at PMQs - If there was ever a PMQs when the tories were there for the taking, this one was it.

I wonder if Corbyn has enough “killer instinct”. He seems to start the attack and just when he is in a position to stick it to him, digresses letting DC evade the point.

I’m not sure DC needs any help in avoiding the point, he hasn’t properly answered a question in about three years.

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Thankfully, Buzzfeed are here to let us know which group we would fall into.