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i knew it! So when you was younger, and them immigrants come over, and then they had kids, and then their kids had kids, are ur saying that these 3rd Generation Immigrants, that I would prob jst call i.e. English People, aināt integrated? Is that what ur saying? What about ur mate, the homosex bro? Is he not integrate?
True story - my mate got invited to one of these last year. He went but genuinely didnāt understand what they were on about. When speaking about it, he called it their goat party.
It can be easier to intigrate with some people than others.
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He obviously has but his family hasnāt, neither can they accept homosexuality which is another issue altogether, very conservative cultures can not accept modern Western values, they see it as a corruption of society but again that is another issue.
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I do agree with that bit Barry.
me too but I still think weāll breed it out of them by exposing their kids to i.e. Glee and i.e. Pandoraās Charm Bracelets and i.e. the KFC Colonel + ppl like that
Edit: What is up with them Pandora Charm bracelets? Whenever I go to town, theyāve got cunts queuing out the door
That cunt will be me as my Mrs loves that shiteā¦
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You mean breed a bit of homosex into them bear?
Also did you see that program about how gay Pakistan is? Turns out its real gay. The guy was like āah they arenāt gay, they just suck each other off cause they canāt afford the female prostitutes.ā
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Iāve got relatives Iāve never met from Pakistan on Facebook. Iām pretty sure one of them is gay. Two marriages already, a fuckload of selfies, and a comment indicating that my profile picture was āhotā are the evidence.
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It was really interesting (in bits anyway). There is a bit of a gay scene out there but the non gays who just do homosex when they canāt afford the women hate them. There are a lot of hate crimes on the open gays to try and stop them from being gay. The most common punishment is for a group of the non gays who just have a bit of gay sex when cash is low to attack the openly gay people, beat them and bum them. It seems irony is something that the women do as part of the housework over there.
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Many years ago we had a Japanse family move in next to us. They called round to introduce themselves and gave us a gift as part of their welcoming thing. The gift turned out to be three small empty boxes. My Mumās face was priceless when she opened them and found nothing inside!
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i banged a chinese girl one time, or rather she was half-chinese, but she liked to pretend she was full china even though sheād never been to china, and didnāt eat mandarins, and after we banged she give me a red envelope with 50p in it.
Is that what you meant by breeding the foreign out of them bear?
i dunno if itās possible to fuck the foreign out of all these sexy immigrants, but Iām willing to give it a try! For The Queen!
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there are definitely areas of the country where integration doesnāt happen, you canāt really deny that. Thatās not a new phenomena. People migrate from their homeland and move into areas where there are their own people. It makes sense to do that. There is a comfort and safety in doing so. People with shared language and culture. Shops and services set up for these migrants. And some of those people donāt integrate. My wife works in a school which is 80% Muslim. Thatās not integration, it shows a separation of people. But thatās true of all types of people, whether theyāre polish, Somalian, Pakistani or whatever. Singapore have a policy of not allowing more than a certain number of people from one migrant community to live in certain area and as a result claim they have no āghettoesā.
Addressing integration is a difficult issue. This policy may help a little, but as Bath Saint pointed out, most of those radicalised are English speaking people born here. Thatās not a language thing, its something else. Iām not sure its necessarily an integration thing either as these people have grown up as part of British society. I dont know what the answer is. What I do know js that you cant really deny that there are parts of this country where integration has not taken place in the way we may want. However, demonising people is not a solution. What might work is offering help, compassion, education, opportunity, work and showing tolerance and understanding.
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I think this might have been sake dishes mate.
There are subtle differences though, family lines, perceived honour and religion are everything, this is increibly strong in rural Pakistani and Bangledeshi families, a cultural thing.
The huge question is is that cultural thing allowed to remain? The religion of course will but the culture of arranged marriage, dowry, youth marriage, honour killings and beatings, lack of women in the communities representing their community, homosexuality being accepted as a normal practice, compassion and understanding is a two way street and for to long religion has been a shield (not just the islamic faiths but all faiths) for people to hide behind their prejudices ie Iām not homophobic its my religion that doesnāt allow it and therefore I follow that over anything else etc etc.
Cultural differences in respect of not offending someone to me is simply an excuse to turn the other cheek and not to upset someone in a minority, that is as much a disgrace as the victims of hate crimes being left to rot.
Not read all of the thread as been a bit busy, but sort of get where Fatso was coming from re the difficulties of integrationā¦ But ā¦ Go back to 1970s Iran, 1960s Lebannon etc and Afgahnistan - even look at those Muslim societies for example that are encouraging of women to educate themselves and achieve thingsā¦there were less problems at that time re integration because there was less radicalisationā¦A time when many Islamic countries were trying to develop a more advanced industrial 'western ā style societyā¦ Then Something happened that has driven even moderates to more extreme and differentiated forms of their cultural and religious dogma. That something is pretty much the idiocy of western foreign policy - choosing randomly which faction to support, ignoring of extreme poverty etc and supplying weapons to anyone happy to denounce communism and the USSRā¦
That very simplistic view of the geopolitic of the times might seem a little removed from the the issue of language tests but imho its intrinsic to it. The West has played a major part in creating divisions between Arab nations, clans and castes etc, which has left a huge legacy of distrust on both sidesā¦ sadly the Right seem happy with that ā¦ And letās make no mistake. Cameron is simply making a strategic statement to appeal to the Right in his partyā¦ Nothing more. Those saying he canāt say more because of PC ā¦ā Gone madā need to change the fucking record. The only folks who whinge about political correctness are those that dont understand it and see it as the killjoy that stops them using their casual racism and prejudices in normal societyā¦
Cameron is a slippery snidey cunt who seems comfortable telling the old granny who has come to join her family in the last few years of her life to fuck off home if you canāt learn a new language at 87ā¦ Woo whoo hard man politics for the fascists in his own party and the fuckwits at Britain First. Easy targets and simple minded cunt rhetoric that will appeal to ignorant twats.
I simply donāt buy how grannies speaking English is linked to integrationā¦ Yes the issue of better integration for our society is an important question at a time when extremists are looking to divide usā¦ But you would have to be a stupid ignorant prick like Cameron to think that getting these older generation women to speak English is part of the solution. Cameron stop being such a twat.
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Iran as an example I can go with as its arguably one of the most tolerant Arab Nations but Lebanon in the 1960ās? Afghanistan? Thats always been run on tribal lines and has never been anywhere near a democracy or anywhere near womens rights.
Cameron as I have already said canāt say what he wants to so he has to allude to it through the language.
As a sidenote how do we make people who are religious not homophobic?
The same on womens rights?
Etc etc.