So yes or no depending on what you read.
Well one thing is for sure Goat, youād get more help officially or unofficially than you would in the state of Palestine, whilst their right for self determination and a nation to officially call their own is legitimate so are concerns that their human rights records concerning the LGBT is atrocious, Israel and its citizens on the whole like anywhere whether you like it or not (you obviously donāt as you canāt bring yourself to acknowledge it but there we go, hatred is blind) is a far far more progressive SOCIETY than Palestine, Governments are a different beast altogether than society.
Most citizens of the UK dislike the Government but we have them as we believe or uphold democracy.
Your point has no relevance to my posting. As usual you are trying to deflect away from the horrors committed by the apartheid settlement. Then go on your usual rambling bollocks.
Iām embarrassed for you, as you are the only person i know that think gays being allowed to be publicly open about their sexuality is more important than stopping the mass murder of innocent children.
Letās be honest here, only a fucking out and out racist would act in such a way.
Hereās a bit of research for you. Type into your search engine of choice āStuart Hall racism floating signifierā. Youāll find a perfect description of you.
I replied to Goatās education minister. you racist shit is usual for someone on the backfoot and canāt discuss the cultural and religious issues they have concerning being gay, many if not most racists are also homophobes for a variety of reasons, you? acknowled
I despise the situation and want a two state solution.
Why do you love supporting homophobic regimes, Countries and systems?
Why donāt you acknowledge it?
Bilge. Until I see evidence of gay Palestinians being given asylum in Israel I canāt concede to them being āprogressiveā.
Your blather about them having a good record with regards to LGBT rights pales into insignificance against their lack of concern over the HUMAN RIGHTS of Palestinians.
Itās like saying āI know Hitler was a wrongun but at least he didnāt eat meat.ā
Its not if youāre gay is it? Why canāt you admit the Israeliās value gay rights more than the Palestinians? Its obvious to see.
Israel values the rights of jewish gays. Not of Palestinian gays. There was plenty of upside for womens rights in Apartheid South Africa. Not so much if you were a black woman.
page not found on this link. You have read the other articles that you posted havenāt you Barry? They all seem to be saying that no, Palestinians are not offered asylum and if they have been offered help in the past it is on the condition that they collaborate with the Israeli state.
Getting there, Iāll take that.
Does Palestine value Palestinian gays?
That has never been my contention. It is you that is trying to posit that Israel is somehow more civilised because of itās stance on LGBT rights. I think this is irrelevant.
They are concerning LGBT rights, that was the point I was making, a 2 state solution is what I would like alongside the centrist Palestinians and Israelis as well, the extremes drive a wedge, both arenāt going anywhere.
Jesus fucking Christ at least go back up the page and check if you can get away with your lying before you try. I answered @Goatboy about it(Anyone can check by simply going back to post 538 and reading from there), you never did. Again iām embarrassed for you.
Then you compound the lies by accusing me of being racist. Letās see if people can tell whether me or you fit this description.
From the mid-nineteenth to the early twentieth centuries, racism evolved on the basis of scientifically-justified biological theories which attributed fixed traits, behaviours, characteristics, abilities and disabilities to constructed groups of people based on their supposedly distinctive biological characteristics. Since then, racism has continued to evolve and is largely underpinned by a cultural theory which still projects homogenised constructions of different social groups with common traits and characteristics, but derived instead from their affiliation to a culture, ethnicity, nation, language or faith. Often, racism today borrows from across these subliminal theories ā its proponents frequently not even recognising what they are doing.
Rather than being a fixed concept, race has always been a deeply and inherently political construct, projected by powerful dominant groups, justifying unequal power relations with other groups. As such, it is a construct that changes and adapts to historical circumstance. Far from being exclusively biologically determined. The new type of cultural racism moves beyond discrimination related to skin colour. Instead, it focuses on the imagined cultures of people, generalised abstractions about their beliefs and practices, projecting a hierarchy of cultures. Racialised stereotypes can thus cut across colour divides, and ānon-racialā categories like faith, culture and civilisation can become racist code for similar discriminatory practices. One result is the projection of an unsurpassable divide between the āWestā and āthe Restā, in which āWesternersā are seen as ācivilisedā, āsafeā, āknownā, while āmigrantsā, āMuslimsā, āasylum seekersā, āforeignersā and so on are viewed as āuncivilisedā, ādangerousā, and ādifferentā.
Thatās you that is.
Last point. This is the ishrahell thread, so we discuss their crimes, they are many and fucking horrendous, but you defend their murder. Try facing up to that and you might not look the obvious racist twat you do at the moment.
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Where have I defended Israel?
I find their actions immoral and disgusting, you donāt find religion racist, sexist, homophobic, backward and pointless?
Oh only when it suits your agenda.
ishrahell, oh dear how old are you?
Youāre biased and lose credibility when you canāt call something out that inconvenient, your name calling is the forum equivalent of Suarez biting an opponent.
Its like discussing with a child, profanity and garbled crap.
Rainbow warriors spreading the love.
Do you know the validity of the video ie the circumstances, can they be verified?