Sadly Fats this is part of the problem too, is nothing sacred 
Itâs the hope thatâll kill us all. Stop capitalism the world over and we stand a small chance(but billions must die). While youâre at it stop population growth, intensive farming and burning hydrocarbons, because if we donât there is only one outcome(stop any of these and billions die).
Iâve highlighted the words that show our inability to accept what we alone have created. If we canât accept the scale of what we have created, how can we even start the change needed(it involves less of everything we think we need and deserve).
Anyway, cheer up, itâs Friday. Iâm off home to have a drink and relax.
Hereâs some more innovative thinking and stuff people are doing to try and save the planet. Mostly to cheer Fats up 
The last one I think is particularly relevant 
How was this allowed to be released, by the Trump administration?
there is âno convincing alternative explanationâ that anything other than humans â the cars we drive, the power plants we operate, the forests we destroy â are to blame.
For what itâs worth I think overpopulation is manageable, and is becoming stable on current models. GM crops and artificially grown meat will feed the population. The major issue is now extreme climate change, if a forecasted 2.5C to 3C degree warming model continues as it is now then weâre talking about a breakdown of natural ecosystems, which has a knock on factor. Flooding and more extreme weather events (Hurricanes etc) . This is now pretty much acccepted. The secondary issue is more of a sociopolitical one in that weâre on the verge of an industrial and social change which is unprecendented. AI and robotics will increasingly be more cost effective than employing people in the workforce. Amazon, who have designs to sell everything (clothes, food), they spent over a billion buying the Freshfood grocery group in the US. They already have stores with no human workers. Itâs not just retail or transport, but medical, legal. Most solicitors just kind of using a database of previous cases. GPâs work from a database, How does society deal with this?
Scandinavian countries are already experimenting with a basic salary for all citizens and so far itâs working. Pay everyone a basic salary whoever.
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Forget the warming stuff for a moment, has anyone else noticed a trend in warnings about Volcano eruptions?
The one in Bali not long ago, then Iceland, then saw somewhere else give a warning?
Canât find them now of course
We just had another earthquake in the Philippines and aledgedly there was one in Sydney Australia.
Fucking hell. This wasnât the right thread to read with a hangover.
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Overpopulation is not manageable(1 billion people are starving as i write this). Population growth rate is stabilising, not population size.
GM crops and artificially grown meat will feed the population.
Do these crops grow without soil? I wonât bother with all the other problems they throw up. Artificial meat? Unless we can conjure it out of thin air, it will involve burning hydrocarbons to source, refining and deliver(iâm assuming you are happy to eat it cold)
The major issue is now extreme climate change, if a forecasted 2.5C to 3C degree warming model continues as it is now then weâre talking about a breakdown of natural ecosystems, which has a knock on factor. Flooding and more extreme weather events (Hurricanes etc) . This is now pretty much acccepted.
Now pretty much accepted? That surely tells you how fucked we are. Itâs happening now and we kind of agree there might be a problem. This is no more than a sneeze from nature. Wait a couple of decades(probably sooner).
The secondary issue is more of a sociopolitical one in that weâre on the verge of an industrial and social change which is unprecendented.
Yeah, except everyone appears to be looking the wrong way. We are on the brink of complete collapse and there is no technology that can stop it.
AI and robotics will increasingly be more cost effective than employing people in the workforce.
This is good, because there arenât going to be many people around(see, thereâs always a positive if you look hard enough).
Amazon, who have designs to sell everything (clothes, food), they spent over a billion buying the Freshfood grocery group in the US. They already have stores with no human workers. Itâs not just retail or transport, but medical, legal. Most solicitors just kind of using a database of previous cases. GPâs work from a database, How does society deal with this?
Scandinavian countries are already experimenting with a basic salary for all citizens and so far itâs working. Pay everyone a basic salary whoever.
None of this matters in the mid-long term, as the future will not be like the life we know. Our whole existence is based on burning energy at a phenomenal rate. We are running out of the basic commodities that made all this possible, so this way of life will disappear just as surely as those resources will. We are not magicians that can conjure things out of nothing.
This article gives a small insight into the rapidly dwindling reserves of some of the things we just canât live without.
@fatso donât read the above comments. Itâll depress you.
Hey, completely agree, just didnât want to be too depressive. How we hand over the planet to our children?
Click this link and watch the population grow.
The population has doubled since 1970 and we are currently adding the equivalent of the population of Germany every year to the total(1.2% growth rate). All of these people want to burn hydrocarbons and thatâs the problem.
Hereâs a really well made documentary from 2010 about the problems. I wonder if they are more pessimistic now.
It even offers some hope(I feel I need to offer some kind of hope, however futile reality tells me that is).
For those that prefer a smack around the face with some of the harsher possible/likely scenarios, read on(donât do it @fatso you wonât enjoy it. You will like the documentary though, but not in a happy way).
The energy poverty and elitism of our future, along with massive war investments and loss of freedom will enslave the middle class creating an extreme elite enclaves. Energy and climate are at cross purposes and climate and ecology are teaming up to give a double whammy to energy.
Notice how all the gloominâdoom scenarios say âby 2100â? This is done to pacify the mob for security reasons. Substitute 2050 for 2100 whenever reading those projections, and youâll be far closer to reality. My collapse year is 2025â2030, and maybe sooner.
People like to think theyâre above average, they are, but each in their own way. The world is too complex for the average above average Joe. All these 2100 climate projections assume no war or economic disaster. Yet automation and hyper wealth concentration will steal 50% of our jobs and money in 20 years. Thereâs a war going on, the war for your jobs. That war will be here in 10 years. Do you think climate scientists put that in their models?
When climate scientists quote studies saying crops will drop 20% by 2100, they assume a predefined state of parameters, meaning they ignore war and economic disasters. Call it just plain olâ reality. The reason they repeat numbers like 2° C is because reality is far worse.
The reason media propaganda has overwhelmed reality is because we are in collapse right now. The more absurd the media, the further along we are in collapse. The media has become a parody of that last Iraqi media general repeating the bravado as his country fell.
The last El Nino has kicked climate change into overdrive as earth reacts to a new energy balance. The oceans absorb 94% of the heat earth has to deal with. Thatâs so much fucking heat it accounts for a full 50% of sea level rise. Melting glaciers account for the other 50%. Moisture in the air is increasing dramatically and will cause huge storms on rising seas as continental interiors burn and flood. Severe climate change will hit the interior 20 years ahead of the most other regions. The troposphere is warming, the stratosphere is cooling. This extreme contrast will cause massive ozone destruction over the north pole. In February 2011, the north pole lost 25% of its ozone in one month. Our EV green energy fantasy is a joke, not a good one.
The confluence of increased food demand and extreme weather will wreak havoc on food, and ground water tables, as is happening now. The increasing toxicity of herbicides and pesticides is spreading uncontrollably across the west. How many studies do you think take stuff like poisoning ourselves into account?
Weâve forgotten how important food is.
Weâve also forgotten how important water is.
We are totally unprepared and in denial.
The war is here, we just wonât believe it.
Going by the whoppers on here yes indeed.
Have a watch Barry, it mentions a lot of things you talk about later in(really is well put together).
Heâs suggesting a much bigger, older population where a greater percentage will demand the right to burn more and more energy that we donât have. Sorry, but itâs game show quality.
Can his well picked stats answer any of these issues?
90% of U.S. trees gone since 1600. Most in the last 50 years. Only 10% are left.
http://www.ran.org/how_much_old_growth_forest_remains_in_the_us
âș 50% of Europeâs âRenewable Energyâ comes from burning wood shipped there from all over the world, including from Louisiana. North Europeans also burn palm oil from Indonesia and soy oil from South America in their diesel cars.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/whats-replacing-coal-europe-imported-wood-180952483/?no-ist
âș Indonesia has slashed and burned 80% of its protected national rainforests. They poisoned elephants and killed orangutans, to clear-cut forests, to sell wood, to grow palm oil plantations, to ship palm oil to Europe, to burn in European diesel cars. Shipping wood and oils all the way across the world to burn in European power plants and cars is a mockery the words, âRenewable Energyâ.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/palm-oil-impacts_55a4c391e4b0b8145f737dd5?
âș 98% of Indonesiaâs rainforests will be gone in 10 years.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2007/apr/04/energy.indonesia
âș IMPORTANT: Without Trees, Our Atmosphere Will Disappear
âș 50% of Chinaâs rivers have disappeared since 1990.
http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2291208/chinas_looming_water_crisis.html
âș 60% of Chinaâs groundwater is too toxic to even touch, let alone drink.
âș 20% of Chinaâs soil is too toxic to grow food.
âș In 10 years, 4 Billion People Will Be Short Of Water. See âDid You Knowâ section in the following link.
http://www.un.org/waterforlifedecade/scarcity.shtml
âș In 15 years, World Water Demand Exceeds Supply By 40%.
âș In 20 years, Food & Water Wars Will Be Normal.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/apr/03/climate-change-battle-food-head-world-bank
âș In 30 years, Cascading Mass Extinction Is Irreversible.
âș Trees Vs. Food
https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/3d4ucy/forests_or_food_which_is_it/
âș Mass Extinction Numbers
https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/311m7d/collapse_data_cheat_sheet/
âș Renewable Bullshit
https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/39wy9g/why_green_energy_is_a_false_god/
âș Why We Canât Git Nutâinâ Dunn!
https://www.reddit.com/r/Permaculture/comments/30q022/how_to_stop_the_permabuzz/
You seem to be getting aroused by mass extinction and the end of of humanity 
I know I do 
It;s not looking good, i know 
What can you actually do about this situation. weâre a bit powerless.