🌍 Is the planet Earth doomed?

:earth_africa: Is the planet Earth doomed?
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#21

Think you’ll find it’s round (almost) and the sun and outer space are equally responsible … and probably the Klingons too


#22

Potatoes can be made into weapons.

Your neighbour is food.

Trust me.


#23

You had a Spud gun as well then Goaty?


#24

We’ll be fine down here. We’re getting Solar Power so can just pump more into desalination plants and dig through the mountains of plastic water bottles for scraps while wearing asbestos suits.

But seriously being a grandparent it’s something I’m even more aware of. Being cynical our entire global system is capitalist and only concerned with growth so more gets made every year.

You lot are so hypocritical though. You have green iniatiives and tell everyone else how to behave yet buy shit that lasts 2 weeks from Primark and electronics you dump every 18 months. Yet when a factory opens in Nepal who double the local village income to $1 a day while dumping left over toxic dyes into the eco system you moan at them.

What you do in “The West” isn’t even pissing in the wind as populations in Asia & Africa try and grab some trickle down wealth and belch pollutants or destroy forests to give you cheaper food or poison the seas with antibiotics so you can eat cheap fish.

The mass of the population of the world live in poverty but aspire to equality. That means development that means acceleration of poisoning the planet despite bullshit from politicos playing the audience to keep their jobs.

I fear for my Grandson. Not my kids. It is coming faster than you imagine. This summer most people here lost plants that had survived - for me 20 years. They burnt to death in the hottest and longest summer I can remember. Ain’t going to get better in our lifetimes and tbh “emerging nations” deserve the chance to improve the lives of their people.

OR you could start paying fair market prices for limited resources and quality that lasts not Primark. Ban tech companies from releasing anything new for 3 year cycles and make it illegal to factory farm food

See you won’t so we’re fvcked


#25

You buck passing fkr. How in the flying fk do you exclude yourself from blame. That reads like Barry gone eco. :grinning:


#26

Lol IF Capitalism would give a job to a 50+ in Europe where I didn’t need to go on benefits to eat (not that I woulud qualify for any) THEN I’d be back being green.

Meanwhile I’m down here burning twice your fossil fuel a week to try not to sweat to death in this damn sauna. :lou_angry:

Did a lot of work setting up the 1st recycing company down here some 10 years back and regularly cited the UN stats about consumption etc. :lou_facepalm_2:

There HAS been progress at Government level, finally banning light bulbs and starting legislation on recycling but it doesn’t happen over night. The maassive Solar Farm down the road is close to coming on stream, Nuclear is well under construction and a second Solar Farm is planned (biggest in the world).

Difference is down here?

We don’t have Primark :slight_smile:

:lou_eyes_to_sky:


#27

“…Barry gone eco.”

I’d like to see that @cellone

:lou_lol:

Over to you Baz…


#28

He says, tapping away on his laptop to book plane tickets to go and see a group of men kick a ball about for a couple of hours…


#29

Funnily enough…

Then it got moved to a bloody Sunday so I miss out again :slight_smile:


#30

Good news :lou_smiley:

The methodology widely used to understand sea temperatures in the scientific community may be based on a mistake, the new study suggests, and so our understanding of climate change might be fundamentally flawed.

Not so good news :lou_sad:

The new research suggests that the oceans hundreds of millions of years ago were much cooler than we thought. If true, that means that the global warming we are currently undergoing is unparallelled within the last 100 million years, and far worse than we had previously calculated.


#31

This is why the BBC is the greatest broadcast institution.


#32

End of Days?

Octopuses walking along a beach?


#33

Here is a decent explanation of why we can’t help but destroy ourselves(and the least depressing of Norman Pagetts writings(you will struggle to believe that if you read it)).

Our current rate of growth is 1.11%, a seemingly insignificant figure; but that will double our numbers in 63 years. As it is, we are set to increase to 9 or 10 billion by mid century. Maybe more. The mothers of those extra billions are alive now, with the instinct to procreate driven by the genetic forces that our ancestors had. The elderly will also insist on staying alive as long as possible.

The world is already carrying an (oil fuelled) excess of maybe 5 billion, and can’t support 2 or 3 billion more. Which means that billions of people living and billions yet unborn do not have a future.

There can be no airy dismissal of the problem, that it will be solved by future generations. We are that generation; we will be witness to the events of the next 20 or 30 years. We cannot know for certain what that catastrophe is to be, but it will happen.

250 years of hydrocarbon fuelburning has brought us what appears to be a new era, that of luxury and plenty and bright light. But viewed in the wider timeframe of human history the last two centuries might be seen instead as the supernova of humanity — a brief flash of light in the million years of darkness that had been our normality till around 1750.

That light has been our hydrocarbon resource exploding all at once, and probably taking us with it.


#34

Bearsy, how can you selfishly bring a baby into this? :lou_surprised:


#35

Hans Rosling was a real breath of fresh air. He didn’t really talk about the environment, but if you link population growth to environmental degradation, then he would argue that, if everyone is made richer, population growth will stabilise.

Take a look at Gapfinder for more really positive views on society.

http://www.gapminder.org/videos/will-saving-poor-children-lead-to-overpopulation/


#36

Whenever I’m feeling depressed about all this, I like to turn to his videos and feel a bit better - that there is something that can be done.

This one is brilliant


#37

He’s not his decision he has been kippered by a Brummie

Bear I hope it all ends well and you and baby bear get to eat all the porridge.


#38

I don’t believe we can sustain the numbers, because without burning hydrocarbons nothing else functions as we know it. Renewables will not solve this problem.

I will have a look at the other vid later. It might surprise me.


#39

I’m going to take exception to the bit I’ve highlighted…“the world is already carrying an excess of maybe 5 billion”

Where’s this come from? It’s nonsense. He’s just made that figure up. The world population is 7.5billion and he reckons that we’re 5bn over what we should have? The UN have previously said that the world could sustainably hold 15bn.

The point here is that people are not the problem. If there are too many people, would Norman Paggetts be prepared to accept that he was one of the additional ones? The burdens? People are the solution. People come up with new ideas and new technology. Inequality is the problem along with greed and wasteful use of resources. One of the billions one this planet will one day invent a limitless fuel, one will find a way of colonising planets, one will find ways of fedding more and more people. The challenge is for us to not allow the greed of corporations and individuals take from the people.


#40

The planet cannot support large populations. It is only possible at the moment because we are burning the finite stores we have. Take them away and look at the numbers. That’s before you take into consideration things like soil depletion.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?q=https://www.holon.se/folke/kurs/logexp/carrying.shtml&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjymcOPsaLXAhWhHsAKHcExApQQFggWMAQ&usg=AOvVaw3pl902D9x060szwbshsfY5

The point here is that people are not the problem. If there are too many people, would Norman Paggetts be prepared to accept that he was one of the additional ones? The burdens? People are the solution. People come up with new ideas and new technology. Inequality is the problem along with greed and wasteful use of resources. One of the billions one this planet will one day invent a limitless fuel, one will find a way of colonising planets, one will find ways of fedding more and more people. The challenge is for us to not allow the greed of corporations and individuals take from the people.

Sorry, but people are the problem(it’s only us that burns our reserves). It’s hard to accept so we lie to ourselves that we’ll find a solution. We might find small fixes, but it still won’t save the way we live and the large populations we are now used too. We are headed for disaster and we don’t have the will to change, we never have had.