I wouldnât have too much disagreement with that Barry. A good deal of SFâs vote is coming from the youth.
However, protest votes under our system rack up millions of votes without really getting any representation. Under PR, you get to become the largest party.
If they do end up in that spot, and against convention theyâre denied the opportunity to create a government, itâll only cause more protest and a bigger share of the vote next time around.
Iâll go back to the point of it wonât mean a hoot in Northern Ireland, Southern elections can not interfere with Northern democracy, theyâll scare the unionists for sure but nothing more than that, but that will be where it ends.
Iâll answer my question to you as its very important, the whole thought process of a unionist is one of a siege mentality and what Irish unification would do to their heritage and being, the unionists in the South went from 10% to less than 3% very very quickly.
This runs very very deep in loyalist/unionist circles hence the process of the status quo unless Northern Ireland decides, the South can not have a say in any process.
There are hardliners that still feel that way, but most people just like having roads and prosperity and shit. Plus we are 21 years the Good Friday Agreement; the further we get away from it the more that enmity fades.
I think itâs inevitable. Maybe not in the next decade, but canât imagine it taking much longer than that.
But it will come from the North Pap, not as you originally implied/posted, hardliners? No its ingrained in many, "look at what happened to the Southern Unionists when Ireland went independent, theyâre no more, want that to happen to us?"
This is always present in many even many of the moderates who voted remain, Iâve no doubt unification will happen, it will probably happen in our lifetime but that will only come from the centrist Unionist moderates and it will only come with huge assurances and guarantees of links still to the UK ie passports and the right to our institutions.
If you think Sinn Fein is Southern then I suggest you look again, Belfast (West) controls that party, independence (Iâm glad you know see itâll come from the North) will only happen when the North Unionists want it, many are already sold in principle and them accepting it will lead to unification but not before.
Because you reference the Irish election and a possible reunification, the Irish election is in the South so why imply its on the cards via them? When its not and even if it were, it wouldnât make a difference as Iâve explained to you.
For any that have been paying attention rather than cheering/sulking, the lines have been already been set by Westminster(thereâs a clue in the Melzer interview on the Assange thread) and from the little i know would explain the shift.
Iâll have a look. A link or two (not English)?
Your not the first iâve heard mention
Again donât know, but Barryâs comments about the North seem pertinent. Itâs up to them(not Westminster) and i donât see a better option for them, when the reality of the English decision starts to take effect.
Anyone who knows even the remotest about Ireland as it stands knows independence can only ever come from the North irrespective of what side youâre unless its revolution and a failure to recognise the GFA, Sinn Fein does recognise the GFA so what he implied is quite frankly cod shite, all the big players are signed up to that.
He also doesnât understand what Iâd said when Belfast ran the show, they call the shots and if they thought that having a full compliment of candidates would help them to achieve uniting 32 counties of course they fucking would.
They know as it stands they donât have the nationalist numbers, theyâll only get that when the unionists come on board.
So many of the results are in, and it appears that the Sinn Fein surge lasted until the end. They will regret not fielding more candidates. Theyâll lose seats they could have had won just by fielding people.
Current projections are that they will be the second biggest party in the Dail.