Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Cherts would crush all workers to be a Big Mac.
Am I not a worker Bazza?
Is it free or is it just a bonus YouTube video at the end of another one?
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… I am just rather vexed that the ‘Government’ is not doing its fucking job and Governing on this matter. Its clear to any reasonable person that is an incredibily complex issue on which to make an informed and balanced choice - how many on here are aware of ALL the unbiassed facts and will research them prior to making a decision?
No matter how much information you collect and digest, there will be 10x as many who read nothing and vote on pre-exsisting opinions that will not be based on any of the critical issues… and tehy will decside the outcome
The Government has turned Pontious Pilot on this and granted the people ‘democracy’ only because they are split and dont have a fucking scoob as to what should be done…yet have created enough of a shit storm for it to become a big issue… did we not elect a government to make such complex decisions?
…and before some suggets that its democracy in action, well fuck that. Would you want a ref on capitol punishment? When ‘the uninformed’ masses woudld vote to ‘bring back hanging’? The Government dont trust the people with that because they know the people would get it wrong - yet will trust the people with a less complex moral question, but a 1000x more complex political , social and economic one… 
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Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Cherts would crush all workers to be a Big Mac.
Am I not a worker Bazza?
You’re a whopper so could also be a melt.
As has been stated before, this referendum hasn’t been called because the people wanted it. It was called to heal a permanent fracture within the Conservative Party and it probably won’t achieve that.
There are some issues which are important enough to demand a referendum, although Tony Blair is among those that believe the British public cannot be trusted to arrive at the correct result. That’s the same sort of thinking that said that women couldn’t have the vote.
Our form of democracy is utter bollocks in any event. Which Tory MPs are representing their poorest constituents? I’d say the vast majority are actively working against them.
The government shouldn’t be involved in influencing a referendum at all. The 9M leaflet campaign was a disgrace which backfired. We’re now in purdah period until the referendum, which means it’s illegal for the government to come in one way or the other (apparently).
What is a whopper? Is that another one of your racism’s?
i like it when b calls ppl a Whopper, but I don’t think it means what he thinks it means
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You could pretty much pick any word in the dictionary and this would be true.
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Isn’t it the direct competition for a Big Mac?
This cheap labour line you constantly parrot is, and always has been, nonsense. There is no proof that suggests this is the case.
If anything, we need young, healthy, migrant workers to cover the fact we have an aging population.
Additionally, the argument for workers rights I just don’t buy. The argument is often paired with escaping EU rules & regs. Which is why UKIP and so many other right-wingers want out. They want deregulation. We’ve already heard about rolling back the ECHR, do we really think we are going to scrap that and get new, improved rights?
Deregulation is never better for workers. It benefits the most wealthy, everytime.
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Regulation isn’t much use when it’s corporate types writing and policing the rules.
Just check out that TTIP deal we’ll be at the back of the queue for. Shocking.
Yeah, I know all about TTIP. I used to shout about it on TSW.
Worth repeating, if UKIP aren’t a bunch of racist, xenophobic idiots & are concerned with the workers, and soveriegnty - why did they break their habit of voting against all EU bills (including making marital rape illegal - funny, they were v concerned about Sexual Assualt around the turn of the year, remind me why?) to vote in favour of TTIP.
There are plenty of regulations and directives that come from the EU that have directly benefitted workers. Denial of this is nonsense.
Not all regulation that comes out of Europe is bad, but it would by myopic to suggest that all regulation that comes out of Europe is good.Also regulation born in Europe takes into account EU as a whole and as a result may not be best suited for the UK. A one size fits all approach is often not the best approach.
I don’t buy the remain campaign assertions that there would be wholesale reversal of workers rights. there may be some tweaking, however I strongly doubt any government would have the cojones to scrap discrimination laws etc.
I suppose the question is why would you want to entrust the creation of our rules and regulations to the EU and not to the government who you elect in the UK - why are they any better at it than we are?
Its not a question of trust Pap, but one of informed decision making. I simply do not believe that those who are in pocession of all the facts and make and informed choice for either side will be sufficient to determine the outcome - I know i wont be in pocession of all the facts so should I abstain? I trust anyone who is in pocession of all the facts to chose based on their values and judgement. I dont ‘trust’ myself, because I dont have time to dig deep enough to get the infomation I need… yet I can vote…
Why are you mentioning UKIP, KRG?
I have never been a member or promoted them. Why are their plans for TTIP germane to the argument? Do you expect them to be in power post-Brexit?
Because there are demonstrable examples of them doing it, whilst there are plenty of recent examples of the UK govt looking to strip them back.
Why are you mentioning TTIP? I have stated plenty of times I think it is bullshit.
I also don’t believe for a minute that Brexit will prevent it from being implemented here.
Originally posted by @KRG
Why are you mentioning TTIP? I have stated plenty of times I think it is bullshit.
I also don’t believe for a minute that Brexit will prevent it from being implemented here.
I’m mentioning TTIP because it’s the trade deal we’ll be at the back of America’s queue for. Wasn’t the loss of trade one of the huge arguments in the Remain camp?
And yet, the EU and US conspired to keep the details secret. It was left to Greenpeace to give the general public some idea of what their EU pals were signing them up for.
There’s a far better chance of rejecting any legislation outside of the EU, but please keep ignoring the elephant in the room.
Well I guess the vast majority of trade unions parroting this are incorrect as well and you with massive life expreience are correct…
Quite a few of these rights came before membership, look it up, also many rules like the EWTD have convenient opt outs for the large workforces, again look it up.