I think you will find all of them were only as the left was in power at the time they leant the other way as well.
Is that shower’a cock Road or Close my lover?
Probably quite a few, if you insinuate few due to the current ruling ideology I suggest you’re probably wrong, look at the current Russia for an example.
Why does Chertsey living near Kelvin MacKensie not surprise me in the slightest ha ha!
Daniel Hannan @ DanHannanMEP Mar 29
Saying “I support the EU because I like Europe” is rather like saying “I support FIFA because I like football”.
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I don’t know his actual address, sorry. Think he lives in St George’s Hill in Weybridge though.
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Why does Chertsey living near Kelvin MacKensie not surprise me in the slightest ha ha!
Why’s that Bazza? We all think he’s a megacunt as well.
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In that event you cant go wrong if you blame a Muslim (of any nationality).
There are way more than that PS. “You’re not from round these parts, are yer?”
Sorry Bucks Born and bred in the waterside so officially my local team is Blackfield and Langley then Saints.
Iwas using foreigner as a person not born in the country they are now living in 
That’s funny as I also live near Kelvin MacKensie and only the other day he said the same thing about you.
I’m off to see the relatives in Nantes and Leon this summer hopefully time permitting and I love Europe, I simply hate the EU.
Brilliant. This must be the famous Barry banterbus we all hear so much about.
Sigh.
I think he is missing the point somewhat. One can be in favour of the EU, whilst acknowledging that it has not YET delivered as it has the potential to do so. In part because of the UK not playing the active leadership role that it should have done. Many suggest it has ‘failed’ - plenty of examples where its fucked. But that does not mean the concept can not work with appropriate reform.
Or to play on Hannan’s analogy ‘should we now leave FIFA because it was corrupt, irrespective of the the fact that it has new leadership and will reform?’ I like football, so lets reform FIFA and make it what it should be.
How likely is that looking?
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Originally posted by @Goatboy
How likely is that looking?
Precisely.
There have been numerous points in time at which the EU should have considered reform which perhaps rolled back, or at least modified some of the idealistic concepts that drive many of the decisions. The Euro is a great example. Anyone with the merest knowledge of economics is aware that a country that prints its own currency can devalue in times of economic crisis. That is a lever denied to all the countries stupid enough to sign up to the Euro, and was disastrous in what became known as the PIIGS.
Perhaps the surest sign that the EU doesn’t want to reform the most important bit of itself was in the EU Constitution, rejected by the continent, implemented anyway under the Lisbon Treaty. Even then, when they were starting from scratch, creating a document to begin it all again, the European Commission was to be unelected.
They also wanted to create EU wide police and army forces (they still do) to serve this unelected executive, and no one sees the problem with EU wide forces accountable only to a body that cannot be removed by the public. It is a potential framework for tyranny and I am amazed that more people do not see that.
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I would love us to be dignified and walk from FIFA, corrupt bastards if ever there was one, you are advocating some showers of shite Mr Ratner…
I am just following your lead for spreading unsubstantiated bollocks.
Are we back in 1933 Pap? To quote our dear old friend CB Fry, is that not a little bit infalted pompous shite? Come one, could this not be be equally considered ‘scaremongering’ that the IN crowd have been accused of? Srs?
On the first bit I’ve highlighted, I’d have to say that devaluing your currrency went out with the seventies; it assumes a control over the value of said currency against others that no government has. Since tthe eighties, the pound and all other hard currencies (plus a hell of a lot of non-hard ones) float on the uncerain sea that is the currency market. Can we devalue the pound? We cannot, and that has precisely fuckall to do with the EU. Could we decide to unfloat the pound? I can’t see how the hell we’d do it, and this has nothing to do with the EU either.
On the second bit, yes the European Commission is unelected. The European Parliament is elected and should therefore have the major say. It is unquestionably a flaw in the setup of the EU (as Goatboy has pointed out earlier in this thread) that the Commission is given more power than it should have, but the fact that it is not elected is not in itself the issue, any more than the fact that civil servants are not elected is an issue. Can the balance be changed? I’m sure it can. Is there the will to make that happen? On that I’m not so sure.