🇬🇷 Greece: Crisis in the cradle of democracy

Barry-Sanchez · 3 July 2015 14:05

I don’t necessarily disagree but you’re making my point for me concering the Unions self interest and un Union.

Also if you take a loan out you have to be responsible enough to pay it back, the Government were elected so the people in some ways had their say, 13%gdp on pensions, retiring at 50 and gold plated pensions for a small economy is crazy, I’m a socialist and what they were doing wasn’t socialism it was a total disregard for that and a selfish blind National agenda.

The EU is one big selfish trade network or a selfish National interest vanity project, do the Germans care more for the Union or their exposure?

Fowllyd · 3 July 2015 14:48

Let’s move this baby to the next page…

pap · 5 July 2015 18:16

According to early polls, no is winning 60% - 40%.

Barry-Sanchez · 5 July 2015 19:28

I am genuinely surprised, I thought they’d bottle it, now for the wrath of the Union, their actions probably vindictive will at least show what they are.

pap · 5 July 2015 20:33

pap · 5 July 2015 20:39

Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez

I am genuinely surprised, I thought they’d bottle it, now for the wrath of the Union, their actions probably vindictive will at least show what they are.

I am not. The Greek people know how viable their plan has been; it has just been the EU and the media telling us that they’d be willing to sign up for more of the same. It will be interesting to see what the EU does moving forward. One thing it can’t do is continue to describe Syriza as some kind of leftist aberration that the people don’t support. It appears that the Greek government has the mandate it sought, and a much stronger bargaining position.

Barry-Sanchez · 6 July 2015 04:58

True but now the EU can issue anything what it seems fit and can pass it back to the Greeks and say you voted for this, Brussels can’t give too much as Spain, Portugal, Italy and many others are watching very closely.

Barry-Sanchez · 6 July 2015 05:24

For the home of democracy a turnout of 63% in an election as important as any in a lifetime absolutely shocking.

saintbletch · 6 July 2015 06:25

Greece’s finance minister resigns citing that he recognises his presence in negotiations isn’t helpful.

pap · 6 July 2015 07:16

Originally posted by @saintbletch

Greece’s finance minister resigns citing that he recognises his presence in negotiations isn’t helpful.

It’s an understandable shame. Probably got something to do with him actually being qualified for the job*.

*And being very provocative by referring to the EU as “terrorists” over the weekend

pap · 6 July 2015 07:20

pap · 6 July 2015 08:16

Minister No More!

The referendum of 5^th July will stay in history as a unique moment when a small European nation rose up against debt-bondage.

Like all struggles for democratic rights, so too this historic rejection of the Eurogroup’s 25th June ultimatum comes with a large price tag attached. It is, therefore, essential that the great capital bestowed upon our government by the splendid NO vote be invested immediately into a YES to a proper resolution – to an agreement that involves debt restructuring, less austerity, redistribution in favour of the needy, and real reforms.

Soon after the announcement of the referendum results, I was made aware of a certain preference by some Eurogroup participants, and assorted ‘partners’, for my… ‘absence’ from its meetings; an idea that the Prime Minister judged to be potentially helpful to him in reaching an agreement. For this reason I am leaving the Ministry of Finance today.

I consider it my duty to help Alexis Tsipras exploit, as he sees fit, the capital that the Greek people granted us through yesterday’s referendum.

And I shall wear the creditors’ loathing with pride.

We of the Left know how to act collectively with no care for the privileges of office. I shall support fully Prime Minister Tsipras, the new Minister of Finance, and our government.

The superhuman effort to honour the brave people of Greece, and the famous OXI (NO) that they granted to democrats the world over, is just beginning.

pap · 6 July 2015 09:35