I’m not quite sure what you mean?
I’ve just often wondered why feminists literally never criticise sexism coming from non-white perpetrators.
Now, admittedly, yeah, I’ll come out and say it - I do believe its predominantly down to insincerity and the fact that they don’t give two hoots about women’s rights so long as they personally have to make sacrifices to do so (i.e. risk appearing racist or even take on an opponent that’s more likely to fight back than your typical standard soft white guy).
However, I thought that these people must surely have at least some explanation when challenged on the subject.
The hip-hop music vs Blurred Lines example is the most obvious one. Made even more extreme that Pharrell collaborated on both of the examples I gave (T.I’s ‘Amazing’ and Robin Thicke’s ‘Blurred Lines’).
I mean, people like Bathsaint surely must have some kind of an attempt at least to argue against the challenge that they’ll only criticise sexist music if the artists aren’t from an ethnic minority. It’s just such an obvious double-standard to anyone watching that I thought that they simply must do.
Don’t put word in my mouth or assume you know my political affiliation.
My original response answers your last paragraph
Sorry, I wasn’t clear. By “You” I mean “One”. I don’t mean you personally.
EDIT: (Although re-reading it, it does admittedly look like I’m speaking directly to you - my bad)
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If you have any empathy for women, or are, actually a woman, you would be long world weary enough to have tired of the perky ‘Ah don’t forget, male player!’ approach you’re suggesting. Live in someone else’s shoes for one minute, Tramps. You have immense power, being born a white middle class bloke; use it well.
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But Andy Murray isn’t a woman. He’s a 30-year-old multi-millionaire talking to a random nobody reporter.
His actions don’t seem genuine to me - simply because its quite obvious that if he wanted to genuinely help someone adjust their subconscious biases he’d try and be as polite and convincing as you can - and avoid the charge that it was purely virtue-signalling.
I don’t know.
To sum it all up, the main victim in the story to me is not the collective aggregate of multi-millionaire Grand Slam semi-final-reaching female American tennis players, but a innocent-until-proven guilty reporter who’s now the fall guy for (what you’ve admitted yourself) is probably down to unconscious bias.
Positive discrimination is still discrimination.
Are you saying if you’re poor ethics and welfare are lowered or excused?
One was a number 1 and the other one didn’t get the same play? I haven’t heard of the other one. Don’t like either.
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I had high hopes for this thread but frankly no longer want to read it or respond to comments.
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It’s turned into another oneupmanship competition. Which to me is a waste of time.
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Have your own thread, shortlist people?
OK, put it in to context Tramps,
He’d just finished a gruelling 5 set match in the heat of Wimbledon’s Centre Court, a match that he didn’t play to his best because he has a hip injury that flared up in the middle of the match, an injury that was restriciting his movements.
He was pissed off because he lost, he was pissed off because he didn’t play to his best and then he was asked a banal quesiton by a reporter…
On this Barry is correct, and I used to agree with the point, however there is a case that +ve discrimination is needed to combat the latent racism/sexism in society.
I do disagree with targets, i.e. 30% of jobs have to go to straight, white females (extreme case) because then the better people for the job get looked over.
However a “Rooney Rule” for selecting candidates in the first place, not necessarily for the job themselves, can’t be a bad thing, can it?
Andy Murray has a track record of sticking up for women. He has called himself a feminist in the past. Sadly, people pay more attention when blokes pick up on this every day sexism stuff. So he made the point. Glad he did.
Do you really think, if a reporter was talking about, for example, a Swiss woman, he would say how they’re the ‘first Swiss player to reach a semi-final’? You really think that would happen? Of course not - it would be laughable.
I don’t think the reporter is a bad person and should be vilified. It’s just an example of unconscious bias towards men that many people have and aren’t aware of, but should be. Thanks to Andy Murray, more people will think.
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You’re defining the solution as positive discrimination, not me. The point I was making, is that when men are making the decisions, they have a biased view on what ‘merit’ looks like. Women need to be given the opportunity to catch up on unfair bias - otherwise change could take decades/centuries.
Yet there is more evidence that businesses and countries, perform better when there are more women at the top:
I don’t know what the answer is - but the problem exists - and most women have to deal with it day on day.
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Just don’t be a male model.
Name me an industry where salaried women are paid less than men, I can’t.
Barry, you’re not responding to any of the points I make, you’re just throwing in random cliches. It makes me think you don’t give a monkey about equality for women. And it makes me think all that concern you have (which I was believing) about rights and equality for muslim women, is not as genuine as I thought it was.
Please do correct me if I’m wrong.
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