Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Top Gent as always Mikey.
I aim to please, Bazza.
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Get a room you two 
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Well that is one thing the remainers said that is coming true. Turkey ainât joining the EU anytime soon, although arranging a coup is a bit overboard to prove a point
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I know but I felt it was worth the effort to support my argument.
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Looking at the BBC it seems that the coup had just about been crushed by Erdogan and loyal forces. But how reliable is social media reporting these days?
They fucked that up. Thatâs the only chance theyâll ever get to take Erdogan out. Shouldâve got him first.
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Media are saying Erdogan instigated this to strengthen his position, well the EU is off the table but more importantly what is going to happen to the 3 Million refugees?
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Again, another âPCâ nightmare conundrum.
Islam grows, Christianity is fairly static, so Turkey has seen the propotion of Muslims increase and it will continue to do so.
Erdogan is seen by many Turks as unravelling the work of Attaturk & the promise of a Secular Society - an issue he brought to the fore by allowing his wife to wear a headscarf in Public afetr his election win.
The West obviously has to congratulate the return of Democracy. Yet deep down, Erdogan and Democracy are playing into the hands to fundamentally alter the fabric of Turkish society in the medium - long term. That is conveniently ignored by the EU junket gatherers.
Very long term there is a lesson for the west, as Muslim populations grow, so their voice becomes stronger - not 10 years hence but 20 or 30 issues like this could arise in other Nations.
Erdogan is elected and the legitimate Authority. His intentions may not be what the EU wish for, an Islamic leaning Turkey is a medium to long term threat. Western Politicians only ever look to the next time they have a chance of getting sacked.
Democracy has won, people are applauding that. Time will tell whether this was actually a disaster for the world or a good thing.
Many of my friends and ex employees in Turkey believe it was a disaster that the coup failed. They are truly Secular and fear the changes.
(They also fear the fact that the man himself seems to be as mentally unstable as Tony Blair)
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More and more polarisation within societies around the world I fear. I believe we will see increased tension over the differences in culture and beliefs and less patience and willingness to embrace these differences that diversity could bring
Originally posted by @Dubai_Phil
Again, another âPCâ nightmare conundrum.
Islam grows, Christianity is fairly static, so Turkey has seen the propotion of Muslims increase and it will continue to do so.
Erdogan is seen by many Turks as unravelling the work of Attaturk & the promise of a Secular Society - an issue he brought to the fore by allowing his wife to wear a headscarf in Public afetr his election win.
The West obviously has to congratulate the return of Democracy. Yet deep down, Erdogan and Democracy are playing into the hands to fundamentally alter the fabric of Turkish society in the medium - long term. That is conveniently ignored by the EU junket gatherers.
Very long term there is a lesson for the west, as Muslim populations grow, so their voice becomes stronger - not 10 years hence but 20 or 30 issues like this could arise in other Nations.
Erdogan is elected and the legitimate Authority. His intentions may not be what the EU wish for, an Islamic leaning Turkey is a medium to long term threat. Western Politicians only ever look to the next time they have a chance of getting sacked.
Democracy has won, people are applauding that. Time will tell whether this was actually a disaster for the world or a good thing.
Iâm pretty sure most are applauding through gritted teeth (as it were) - getting rid of Erdogan may well be a good thing in the long run but Western govts canât be seen to be supporting that pathâŚ
Besides, ISIS would be pretty much creaming themselves at the idea of a broken Turkish state.
It wonât be broken in the sense I think youâre meaning unless I have got the wrong impression, the result of this will be a totalitarian regime in which something like ISIS wonât get a chance to operate, theyâll get hammered out of there but then so will democratic rights.
Another Iraq or quite possibly and closer to our doorstep.
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Iâm not sure, I think that the west really wouldnât mind some stability in Turkey, even if that means keeping in power someone they secretly donât like too much.
Yeah - I meant if the coup were successful ISIS would be celebrating.
That is how the West used to operate until we arrogantly thought we could change regimes by bombing the shit out of them and âfreeingâ the locals.
The issue is the locals have to want it want it enough and actually maybe want freedom in the first place.
Iâve been doing some background reading and some fact checking of my basic recollection of things. Turkey has traditionally been a strong ally in the region, particularly in having decent relations with Israel. I remember that changing, and it was because nine Turkish citizens were killed in the condemned flotilla raids. That completely changed Erdoganâs stance on that relationship.
Iâve just been reading an article that suggests that bridges were being mended by Erdogan on a number of international fronts. Link here.
Most coups are foreign sponsored. Which potentially improved relationship would a hypothetical instigator be trying to wreck?
Pap you are sounding like the rest of them on here, there could be US interference but what would they genuinely get out of it? I canât believe any democracy truly wants or needs an unstable Turkey, huge game if this was a faux coup or one instigated by outside sources, both have mileage BUT weâll probably never be truly privy to all of the information, are we ever?
Turkey possibly improving relations with Russia and Israel I suspect will happen now the Russians have pulled out of Syria.
Also Turkey is broke from sanctions, having a coup gives the locals something to think about.
Trouble with Erdogan is heâs such a fucking hypocrite. I appreciate his [at least rhetorical] support against israel for the rights of Palestians - but in the same breath - he is going all israel on the Kurds. 
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