I know itās a BBC article and an immediate distrust reaction will be felt but maybe @pap should read thisā¦
I have no wordsā¦warning, watching this can be quite distressingā¦
Shame they couldnāt creep up behind him with a defibrillator and zap him on both ears
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We have a site in the grounds of a Hospital. On Monday they were administering vaccines to all the NHS staff who worked at the Hospital. When they had all been vaccinated, there was a substantial number of vaccines left over that had to be used. All the lads on the site got a jab and any ancilliary workers in an around the Hospital. It was a case of using it up on those who could attend and not wasting it, so seems quite a sensible thing to me.
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Who said I found it acceptable? Itās not acceptable, but it is borderline trivia. You want to carry on screaming? Fine.
Just remember that it makes fuck all difference and that if you scream at everything, you just look like a screamer.
Who is screaming? You do this rather a lot Pap. When someone makes a point you dont agree with, you try and undermine it with such ātriviaā and hyperbole as āscreamingā ā¦
Its a fair opinion to point out on this thread that this is unacceptable, and opportunistic unless he could show he was constantly supporting said hospitalā¦
You did not claim it was acceptable, that is true, but your downplaying of it is indicative of a defence of itā¦ that is a perception you give and I suspect most on here would see it the way to.
As had been said countless times, at these times of crisis, our āleadersā should be setting the example, but it seems its just another example of one rule for the āpeopleā and another for our politicians. There was me thinking we left all the corruption behind in Brusselsā¦
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Arse out window?
Given you have workers on site in a highly sensitive area, that seems fair enough and to be honest though should have been policy, not something left to chance/left overs etc
Its a different situation to someone being opportunistic because and āvolunteeringā to get access etc. Have all hospital staff, porters etc been vaccinated in that hospital yet etc?
In effect anyone who works in or around Hospitals and care homes should eb a priority including those who service these areas.
Its should also include volunteers who regularly support there local communities.
They are different for opportunists who because of connections vulnteer to jump teh queue
Only if it is beyond doubt that he was opportunistic. It may not have been. It may have been, although iād give the benefit of the doubt. I agree with Pap - there are more worthwhile reasons for people to get animated over.
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Yes there areā¦ but its not an isolated incident when you loo at how many have used their power in a influence to makes personal gains from this crisis, and that they should be setting an exampleā¦
Mate of mine recovered from an aggressive form of prostate cancer about 18 month ago. He goes for regular blood tests at the Urology Dept. Went for one the other day and was very surprised to see himself as the only one in the department. Whilst waiting (not for long) he said the admin crew were busy trying to rearrange appointments for people who either cancelled or didnāt show up. He says there will be a lot a fellas in that group who are putting off getting things looked at. Thereās a potential health timebomb on the horizon.
IIRC there was much āadoā about the mass of forms that needed to be completed by people who volunteered to help at Vaccine centres, including initially ever Diversity training courses.
Perhaps the energy ranting/debating about an MP could be better spent investigating whether he filled all those forms?
IF he did, fair enough. IF he didnt he should be fired.
But nobody will bother, modern investigative journalists will miss it if it isnt on Twitter or a Boris press conference
If I remember correctly they subsequently relaxed a load of the requirements to attend training coursesā¦
Yep they crossed off the āHave you ever played Dartsā question a replaced it with āCan you hit a cowās arse with a Banjoā
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Itās a fair point to point that out. Itās less fair when people start mischaracterising what it is youāve actually said.
Thatās unacceptable too, but much like the Tory MP, I wonāt lose any sleep over it.
I think they call it filtering, or picking your battles, or something like that.
AstraZeneca jab should not be used on over-65ās, says Germany
German authorities have blocked the use of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine on people aged over 65, the Financial Times has reported.
A statement by the Standing Vaccine Commission at the Robert Koch Institute (RKI), Germanyās main public health agency, said in a draft recommendation there were āinsufficient data currently available to ascertain how effective the vaccination is above 65 yearsā.
Thus, it was recommended only that it be used for people aged between 18 and 64. It comes after the European Medicines Agency said on Tuesday that the vaccine may be authorised only for younger people in Europe, due to the insufficient data. It is expected to make a decision tomorrow.
That followed reports of a lower-than-expected efficacy rate of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine for older people, which the German government challenged while reiterating concerns about the British-Swedish pharmaceutical giantās data reporting.
The RKI said that the two vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer and Moderna, which have both been approved by the EU authorities, were judged to be āequivalent in terms of safety and efficacyā.
Amazing that this is only coming out now that there are supply issues and the EU are heaping all manner of pressure on AZ
At best this is just an ultra cautious approach that will end up costing lives due to the lack of supply of other vaccines - and itās the over 65s at risk
At worst itās a cynical political move which will not only cost EU lives but could put at risk our own programme and cost UK lives
Wonāt be wanting the UK-produced material then
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It dependsā¦ The way clinical studies are evaluated and statistically assessed is based on āpowering upā. I am no statistician, but in laymanās terms it a requirement that a clinical study has sufficient numbers in each cohort if you are dividing the study population by age or other characteristic, so that it is statistically representative of the population at large. I understood that it might have been that 8% or so in the study were 65+. (but would need to check)
If this is true, given that the 65+ ages group is probably 30%+ of the population and, the study may not have been sufficiently powered for that age group to demonstrate a significant clinical effect.
Initially this vaccine was considered to be around 64% effective overall, but I dont know how this was split by age group. Eg it could by 80% effective in under 50s, and only 45% effective in over 65s etc.
What was more interesting was that in all cases in reduced hospital admissions by 100% so less impact if you got COVIDā¦ that may well have been an influence on the MHRA to approve it in all ages in the UK?
Its only coming out now, as its only just going through the approval processā¦ so the full evidence package submitted is now being evaluated by country institutionsā¦ The timing will be coincidenceā¦ seriously. The European medicines agency may actually come under political pressure to approve the AZ vaccine in all age groups, but individual member state can still decide whether they chose to use it in all.
If it does not meet all the well established criteria for approval in that age group, then we would normally not expect it to be approved, but there may be āexceptionalā circumstances etc. Problem is, if there was any issue in that age group or it was less effective than needed, and it was approved anyway, imagine the fall out?
We already have too many anti-vaxxers and sceptics who donāt understand the clinical development process or regulatory approval requirements and going agains established assessment criteria, will not do anyone any favours.
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Bet AZ feel like saying to the EU letās just cancel the contract and you do your thing and we will do ours
Awesome if it makes the taker more handsome - thereās hope for me yet!
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