:covid_19: šŸ˜· šŸ„ Corona Virus the thread for all your fears ā“

Someone at work said yesterday that he reads that tey would close schools for 2-3 months!! I did quesiton this as the impact this would have on parents would be phenominal.

Can you imagine a vast majority of the working population not being able to because they have to stay at home to look after their children!!

I know itā€™s done during the school holidays but that 6 weeks and well known in advance. Getting child minders etc. etc. sorted at short notice as well as the economic impact!!

I do think there is an element of panic about all this, maybe Iā€™m just too simplistic in my dotageā€¦

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This is probably more of a risk for our business than the the staff getting it

School tend to throw the baby out with the bath water in these situations so we will end up with a load of people missing because they have to child mind

Although, of course this virus has the potential to be a huge problem for the world, i do think the media, especially in this country are going overboard with their reporting, almost as if they are deliberately trying to create fear and panic for the sake of cheap headlines and clickbait on their online sites. Take this morning for example. Massive banner headlines, ā€œFirst British person dies of coronavirusā€. Then go and read the small print under the headline and it turns out that the man who died, on the cruise ship that was quarantined, although indeed British, he hasnā€™t lived in Britain for years, he is an ex pat somewhere. He was also 86 years old! Anyone just seeing the headline could be excused for assuming this was a case of a death in this country. At the very least it is irresponsible journalism, (i use that term loosely), and appears designed to give an inaccurate portrayal of the facts in order to create panic.

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Just made a GPā€™s appointment for the 25th March for a surgical handwash. Thanks for alerting me. :anguished:

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BREAKING NEWSā€¦just heard someone in Chandlers Ford has Flu. Area has been cordoned off for 14 daysā€¦not a problem as Draper Tools will not be receiving any deliveries from China anyway.

There are probably many hundreds folks waking up this morning having contracted an STD after a skni full and an unprotected fumbleā€¦ thousands with the flu, most of which could be prevented if folks followed simple hygiene and protected ā€¦ same with the corona virusā€¦ the media love this shit, scare mongerung which just helps the fuckers working in investments make a killing whilst the businesses they are short selling struggle when some decent precautions could solve it quickly

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WHO has studied the Chinese outbreak in detail and reported yesterday the results ā€“ here are some points:

COVID-19 is transmitted via droplets and fomites during close unprotected contact between an infector and infectee. Airborne spread has not been reported for COVID-19 and it is not believed to be a major driver of transmission based on available evidence; however, it canbe envisaged if certain aerosol-generating procedures are conducted in health care facilities.

Fecal shedding has been demonstrated from some patients.

Asymptomatic infection has been reported, but the majority of the relatively rare cases who are asymptomatic on the date of identification/report went on to develop disease. The proportion of truly asymptomatic infections is unclear but appears to be relatively rare and does not appear to be a major driver of transmission.

People with COVID-19 generally develop signs and symptoms, including mild respiratory symptoms and fever, on an average of 5-6 days after infection (mean incubation period 5-6 days, range 1-14 days). Data on individuals aged 18 years old and under suggest that there is a relatively low attack rate in this age group (2.4% of all reported cases).

CONCLUSION

Wash your hands after public exposure, do not exchange handshakes or kisses

Walking around with a mask does not make much sense unless you are going to be in close contact with an active virus shedding patient (nurses, doctors, etc.)

Avoid people that might be contaminated for 2 weeks, make certain to stay away from people that might have the disease.

China has a policy of meticulous case and contact identification for COVID-19. For example, in Wuhan more than 1800 teams of epidemiologists, with a minimum of 5 people/team, are tracing tens of thousands of contacts a day.

Contact follow up is painstaking, with a high percentage of identified close contacts completing medical observation.

Between 1% and 5% of contacts were subsequently laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19, depending on location.

CONCLUSION

Even when indirect contact with infected people your risk is only 1-5% to get it

Symptoms of COVID-19 are fever (87.9%), dry cough (67.7%), fatigue (38.1%), sputum production (33.4%), shortness of breath (18.6%), sore throat (13.9%), headache (13.6%), myalgia or arthralgia (14.8%), chills (11.4%), nausea or vomiting (5.0%), nasal congestion (4.8%), diarrhea (3.7%), and hemoptysis (0.9%), and conjunctival congestion (0.8%).

Approximately 80% of laboratory confirmed patients have had mild to moderate disease, which includes non-pneumonia and pneumonia cases, 13.8% have severe disease (dyspnea, respiratory frequency ā‰„30/minute, blood oxygen saturation ā‰¤93%, PaO2/FiO2 ratio <300, and/or lung infiltrates >50% of the lung field within 24-48 hours) and 6.1% are critical (respiratory failure, septic shock, and/or multiple organ dysfunction/failure). Individuals at highest risk for severe disease and death include people aged over 60 years and those with underlying conditions such as hypertension, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, chronic respiratory disease and cancer. A very small proportion of those aged under 19 years have developed severe (2.5%) or critical disease (0.2%)

CONCLUSION

It looks in more cases like a severe cold with fever.

Differential diagnosis with influenza is not easy (influenza symptoms: fever; aching muscles; chills and sweats; headache; dry, persistent cough; fatigue and weakness; nasal congestion; sore throat)

Young people have low disease rate and mild-moderate symptoms.

Of the 55,924 laboratory confirmed cases have died (3.8%) The overall fatality rate varies by location and intensity of transmission (i.e. 5.8% in Wuhan vs. 0.7% in other areas in China). In China, the overall CFR was higher in the early stages of the outbreak (17.3% for cases with symptom onset from 1-10 January) and has reduced over time to 0.7% for patients with symptom onset after 1 February

Mortality increases with age, with the highest mortality among people over 80 years of age (21.9%). The CFR is higher among males compared to females (4.7% vs. 2.8%).

By occupation, patients who reported being retirees had the highest CFR at 8.9%. While patients who reported no comorbid conditions had a CFR of 1.4%, patients with comorbid conditions had much higher rates: 13.2% for those with cardiovascular disease, 9.2% for diabetes, 8.4% for hypertension, 8.0% for chronic respiratory disease, and 7.6% for cancer .

CONCLUSION
The higher mortality rates at start seem to be explained by lack of good medical treatment.

WHO recommendations for the public as result of the report:

1. Recognize that COVID-19 is a new and concerning disease, but that outbreaks can managed with the right response and that the vast majority of infected people will recover;

2. Begin now to adopt and rigorously practice the most important preventive measures for COVID-19 by frequent hand washing and always covering your mouth and nose when sneezing or coughing;

3. Continually update yourself on COVID-19 and its signs and symptoms (i.e. fever and dry cough), because the strategies and response activities will constantly improve as new information on this disease is accumulating every day; and

4. Be prepared to actively support a response to COVID-19 in a variety of ways including the adoption of more stringent ā€˜social distancingā€™ practices

AND DONT BELIEVE THE SHIT PUBLISHED BY HYSTERICAL MEDIA

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In short
Stop being paranoid about a cold flu bug.
&
Coughs & Sneezes spread diseases

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Assuming every single person in the UK contracts it. I think thatā€™s about as likely as every single person in the UK contracting the flu each year.

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Long read.
View from the US. The end of affluence politics

It also assumes that a vaccine wonā€™t be found.

In the history of medicine, how many anti virus vaccines have actually been found

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I read somewhere that the pharma giants arenā€™t that bothered about finding a cure as thereā€™s no money in itā€¦

They dish out the flu jabs to any old fart thatā€™ll stand still for it :thinking::grin:

Measles, polio, typhoid, rabies, MMR, hepatitis B, and as Scotty mentions, the flu. Even Ebola has a trial vaccine now. These are all viruses with vaccines. And vaccines arenā€™t found, theyā€™re developed by studying the virus to work out its weaknesses.

To be fair, I probably should have said ā€œtreatmentā€ rather than ā€œvaccineā€. Theyā€™ll find a way to cope with it medically one way or another, even if itā€™s not a vaccine; hiv isnā€™t the big deal it was, now they have these antiretrovirals.

How many VIRUSES, not Diseases.

All the diseases Won Ton mentioned are caused by viruses, as he says in his post. And you could add smallpox to the list, though thatā€™s an inoculation rather than a vaccination.

Other thanā€¦

What havā€¦

Ok, other thanā€¦

Measles, polio, typhoid, rabies, MMR, hepatitis B, and as Scotty mentions, the flu AND Smallpox, what have the Romans ever done for us?

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