The Labour party has at its core, good, honest, principled men and women - Pap, SOS, Bletch are all good examples. Their positions are consistent - Pap for instance is in favour of protectionism and happy to apply it to workers voting against the EU as much as he is to tube drivers. We can disagree, we can disagree quite strongly even, but there’s a tone of civility there and an understanding that both people are arguing in good faith and mean well.
Unfortunately the Labour Party are also infested by wannabe bullies like Fatso who want nothing more than to have their primal desire to try and pick on someone who they (often mistakenly) think won’t stand up for themselves - and then retroactively justify that to themselves by painting their target as some kind of straw-man they feel justified in attacking.
You can see it in the inconsistencies in his posts.
I’m muddling along and working hard to hopefully one day earn just enough to get by so that I can 1) have a roof over my head 2) have a good, honest job 3) have enough so I can maybe one day have a family life. Apparently that makes me entitled. Yet when we discuss anyone else, be they on benefits, be they a tube driver, be they any sort of public sector worker who’s earnings often come from those poorer than them, everything is absolutely fine and dandy and its an outrage that someone might see things differently. And to boot, he’s so out of touch that he doesn’t even realise that doing a job you enjoy or where you’re actually able to really help people and directly see the benefits of your work are actually massive luxuries ill-afforded to most ordinary people - who of course would love to have those opportunities.
If you point out these consistencies (which are all pretty obvious to most neutrals), you get nothing but a barrage of slander, smears and just straightforward lies about your character. He hasn’t backed up his comment about ‘me thinking I’m better than people’ or ‘judging people on money’ and why would he? He might as well be calling me a rapist and a murderer. Fortunately it convinces absolutely nobody but similar thick-minded numbskulls who duly get their arse handed to them at a general election by people, like me, who have no loyalty to the Labour, but see a ballot sheet and think ‘right, anyone but that lot’.
Sorry Pap/SOS/Bletch & the good honest Labour men on here - but this lot are dragging you guys down.
Bottom line? I’m a good man. I’m confident in that I’m a good, honest, decent bloke and if someone wants to make shit up in order to convince themselves that they ought to think differently, then I’m just going to shrug my shoulders at their mistake. It’s their loss.
That may be true Mr T, and it’s something I’ve had to deal with many a time on this and other forums, but don’t forget all Fatso knows is you from this forum, and you do come across in that way.
Then he’s simply mistaken and that isn’t my responsibility.
Time and again I’ve disavowed the baseless accusations that are getting thrown at me only to have them repeated with the usual “so what you’re reaaaally saying is…*insert smear*”
Out of curiosity, home from where? Thought you were unemployed? It’ll piss people off if the unemployed are wasting their benefits on non essentials.
You could stay unemployed, we’ll all chip in for your future family and maybe chuck a house in as well(you’ll obviously have to move up north for the house(that’ll work well with your girlfriend, call it double benefits)).
Mr T, for what it’s worth, when this thread started everyone (can’t be arsed to double check) were supportive of your endeavours and gave helpful comments / advice.
They / we didn’t have to do that. Maybe put that philosophical brain into gear and think about how and why the tone has changed?
Don’t want to lose you as a poster btw so maybe stick to taking the piss out of each other - Steveo and my disco-shenanigans’ might be as good a place as any to start
And I gratefully appreciated all of it from the well-meaning posters and have reported back on my attempts to put it into action! Haven’t I? I certainly think I have.
The tone hasn’t really changed. Certain people made their mind up about me from the word go and I’m certainly not interested in winning them round. They’re pretty much fundamentally bad people who’s company I wouldn’t enjoy.
Others though are nice and encouraging and I’ve certainly got a lot to learn from them. So I’ll keep working hard and staying humble.
“… Obvs … it was all about feverish saturday nights at the discoteque back then”
Steve, mate I promised that I wouldn’t mention the times we’d boogie on down at the Top Rank al la Saturday Night Fever in our white nylon suits (flared trousers), black shits and stack heels. Veritable babe magnets. Oooops, I mentioned it…
He’s come at me with completely baseless accusations and smears which he knows not to be true (or, at the very least, has zero proof of), totally unprovoked.
I’m comfortable in responding by saying that I think that’s pretty nasty, malicious shit tbh.
Each to their own opinion but I can’t for the life of me see how there’s an equivalence there.
I think the issue that you’ve run into is the general populace of the forum. There are a load of people here that have gotten markedly different professional priorities, normally typified by having a fair bit of passion (at one stage) at least for what they do. Some are lucky enough to have those careers coincide with decent renumeration, but most are doing what they do for modest sums because they’ve an interest beyond the financial. A brave couple work for much less than the market value they could attract in other fields, because they’ve got such personal conviction in the field they’re already in.
I recognise that we’re older and that in many senses, there were more opportunities and less competition for them. I had tremendous trouble finding any sort of computing work in Liverpool when I first graduated. The dot com bubble bursting was not a fun time for many computer professionals, myself included. Even so, my interest in my discipline beyond the financial kept me interested. Besides, what else was I going to do. Actually _work _for a living? Anyways, take it as read that I recognise the much more difficult employment situation.
That said, it does sound like you’re asking for making money advice, rather than career advice, perhaps conflating the two in the process, and coming to some bloody weird conclusions overall. e.g. While I accept that I might have benefited from handling my child rearing arrangements in a more conventional order, the precise setup you seem to require for bringing junior Trampolines into this world leave me wondering how the fuck poor people ever have kids.
Tramp/Fat Stuff can we at least try to use humour in the banter, alternatively, avoid the commenting on the poster and just stick to debating the facts?
In my experience name calling and responding in kind just make you look about 8 years old…
in hindsight my post may have been a little misjudged. Apologies to trampoline, I’m old enough to know better and got a little over excited. I should have worded my post very differently, or just not bothered at all. I’ve let myself and my family down. You’re still a cunt though, obviously.
I offer an olive branch and hope we can get to the point where we can nod at each other as we pass. For what its worth, I genuinely like Gyles Brandeth, so do accept that not all tories are massive cunts. Although he is a cunt, just an amusing one.
