It really is a nation governed by shithouses,
Seems like we have something in common after all. 
True but there are levels of shithouses with Putin right up there, we’re not to far behind but we can protest, mock and reject the Government so there is a huge difference between an arsehole that will go or an arsehole that make rules up as he goes along to retain control.
Corbyn is a terrorist supporting, racist, anti-semite Marxist incompetent , who hates his country, he’s a danger to National Security and the military will not allow him to take control of this country.
Sound familiar, that’s our MSM…who needs a dictatorial mouthpiece when the media serves the same purpose.
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But he isn’t and he is against invasion and war.
…and we’re handing over control those elements to the US…or probably already have.
Probably but has little to do with protest and democracy in Russia.
The latest JIT “evidence” is looking a bit bellendcat, but we’ve been here before. Damning source.
Maybe we’ve all been lied to and Russia aren’t the real aggressors(been here so many times). Let’s look at some numbers.
America 883 non US bases. Anyone know the figure for Russia?
There was some mention of a Russia/China military excerise(yes “a” as in one), so how’s NATO doing?
102 done or planned for this year alone.
Maybe they’re spunking money like there’s no tomorrow(clear sign of an aggressor)?
Russia’s entire defence budget was $61.4 billion, its annual outlay having “decreased by 3.5 per cent,”
Decreased? That’s not the impression the MSM give. Ok how about America?
The US military budget for 2020 is officially $750 billion. According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, total US-NATO military expenditure in 2018 was “$963 billion, which represents 53 per cent of world spending.”
Strange, it’s like we’re being deceived(why do i think i’ve been here before also?).
In fact we’ve been here so many times you have to question the rationality of going blindly along with it. Maybe something to do with Melvin Lerner’s Just World Hypothesis. The believers always try to rationalise with the same terms.
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Now playing the poor man in excusing Russian invasion, bullying and subjugation of their own citizens, you’re getting low and desperate.
That could be debated for hours if I go ask my Ukrainian neighbours to post on here.
More to the point.
Australia wanted to invade Eurooe with 3000 troops?
You missed an open goal Baz
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I had a Russian employee once upon a time who told me that Putins wife had the licence to import mobile phones (prob Nokia) in those days) An anecdote not an allegation.
May or not have been true.
That statistic about Russia’s defence spending is slightly misleading. Their defence budget is 3.9% of gdp compared to the US who have 3.2% and us who have 2%, so they spend significantly more of their wealth on the military than NATO. Other NATO states spend well below the reccommended 2%.
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But a nation under such harsh economic sanctions has improved it’s military technology, whilst reducing outlay(playing the western game with presentation can’t really be a problem in the west surely?). That’s fucking stunning when you consider how far ahead of the west they are and the pittance they achieve it all with. An example
America is building another ten combat ships for $18.4 billion, so just under $2bn a pop. The Russian equivalent, $30m, it’s better and launches more devastating missiles with up to 4 times the range. Missiles, planes, hypersonic tech, electronic warfare they are a long way ahead (not a high bar when it comes to the F35 admittedly, as staying in the air for half an hour beats the coffin that burns it’s own tail off(i kid you not)).
When you look who spends around the same and what they(we) have to show for it in comparison.
Makes you want to weep at the ineptitude/fraud/whatever this weeks lie is
On the bright side at least we weren’t dumb enough to get lumbered with history’s most expensive pilot coffin. Even Turkey didn’t fall for that one, did they
Sorry wrong pic above.
I think part of the reason Russia has less companies selling weapons is that the state is much more heavily involved in the economy and competition is much worse:
https://www.heritage.org/index/country/russia
I’d also wager they don’t have the most transparent procurement processes either, which would streamline things too. All in all it’s pretty depressing how much money is spent by everyone on stuff to blow up and kill people. I agree that the whole sorry business is driven by the US though.
Yes i would agree with that. They know they don’t have the financial might of others and have taken steps to closely control development and production.
On the whole, yes, but i think we have been leading the way as far as Russia goes for a while now and that could come back and bite us.
As you say, a sorry business where the citizens from all nations involved lose out.
The Yanks don’t seem to mind as they’re nation is doing ok for average Joe, the Russians are sinking, why do you think they invaded Crimea? Diversion, how much is Crimea costing Russia though in the long term?
An awful lot, a lot more than I’d guess they thought.
Yet they’ll still deny it on here and in Moscow.
Now now Baz.
The invasion of Ukraine was to help the threatened majority of native Russians against the threat of Fascist rule supported by Merkel.
Everyone accepts that.
Obviously it was nothing to do with re-acquiring a warm water port for their Navy after Lattakia became part of the clusterfvck that is Syria
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