Awww, Fowlly! Never.
I’m not patronising you. I’m just picking you up on an isolated statement on a forum that loves statements like that that very quickly turn into fact.
Sorry.
How big is BAE in Saudi? Thats the question ladies and gentlemen and that will answer an awful lot of questions, Bazza’s Friday nght insights.
And anyway, given I’m limited by my indecision on whether I should piss standing up or sitting down, I’m not sure why anyone pays attention, really.
(standing up inevitably means wet feet, btw. I don’t recommend it.)
I go half and half in pleasing everyone and also offending everyone at the same time.
You could scarcely articulate your views much worse, though this post is at least comprehensible. A couple of questions:
First, who has told us we should be bombing Syria? Second, in what way is it good for business to do so?
Your final point is total bollocks. Sorry, it just is.
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The Saudis to both, why aren’t we intervening in CAR or Yemen even?
As I said Fowllyd I don’t give a shite and I articulate them well enough for a response.
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
How do you know what the original purpose was fo the EU? To say it was to work together only fits your agenda as you agree to it, what about a work collaberative for cheaper labour hence the expansion east?
Awww, look who is using words they don’t understand. That’s not an agenda Barry. That is history. Try looking it up. I’ll give you a clue, try Robert Schuman. You are just trying to rewrite history to suit your agenda. Your ignorance is all over the place, it was nothing to do with cheap labour.
What security do we owe the Union?
Read the post. Or the above. EU countries are safe and secure because we are not constantly at war with each other, because of the stated aim of the original institutions that were the precursor to the EU.
Are you a robot?
Relevant how? Definitely not derailing or labeling. Those two things you hate so.
Ask Greece about the EU and their treatment lately?
Lol more derailing. Related to refugees how?
You’re conveniently blind to this vanity project.
Sure I am sweetheart.
Even by you pathetically low standards. This is a truly nonsensical post. When you have a clue what you are talking about. Come back to us eh? This a thread about refugees. Not yet another one to cry about the EU. What’s wrong? Not getting any bites on your Brexit thread?
You think the EU is responsible for no wars in Europe?
Ha ha did a mandarin in Brussels stop the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans?
Of course it has everything to do with labour, why wouldn’t it?
What do you think about Turkeys possible inclusion?
What do you think about the resistance shown by the Eastern EU states saying they’ll resist as they don’t want Muslims nations in and they want a Christian enclave in the World?
Do you deem the EU unsafe?
If you do can you point out the issues and of not why do you advocate the movement of refugees when its against the rules set by your very own EU?
What do feel about Swedens possible deportation of 80,000 who are opportunist economic migrants some 50% of their total number taken recently?
Hungary’s wall?
Austria’s refusal to accept anymore passing through?
Germany sending back migrants to Austria?
Extreme reactionary right wing parties growing in many EU states?
Its all interlaced my boy.
And if you think Germanys treatment of Greece is not relevant in this then you need to look into this a bit more.
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
What do you think about the resistance shown by the Eastern EU states saying they’ll resist as they don’t want Muslims nations in and they want a Christian enclave in the World?
A lot of Eastern European countries are more racist in their outlook than we are. I’m not condemning them for it; they just haven’t had the exposure to people from different parts of the world that we have. I don’t think they’re the best people to look to when making this point.
Why? Why makes excuses for fascists, racists and homophobes? Oh I see an agenda has been set so bollocks then, we can’t bring up stonethrowing Nations as they haven’t travelled a bit.
Talk about cake and eat it Pap, what Nations should we compare ourselves to on European enshrined Human rights?
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Why? Why makes excuses for fascists, racists and homophobes? Oh I see an agenda has been set so bollocks then, we can’t bring up stonethrowing Nations as they haven’t travelled a bit. Talk about cake and eat it Pap, what Nations should we compare ourselves to on European enshrined Human rights?
I’m not making excuses for them. I’m just saying I don’t know whether we’d have done any better. Most of those states were under the Soviet sphere of influence. Many of those asserted their nationalism quite strongly after 1989. Would I be better off calling them backward cunts and asking them why they don’t have tolerant Western values like we do? Of course not.
Neither would I go to them for tolerant Western views.
We are arguably the most tolerant Nation on the planet so the title of this thread is absolute bollocks.
Allowances are made for racism, homophobia, sexism etc etc?
Hammer the supposed enlightened west but allow it continue in the east as it will upset the agenda, it happens all the time and the hypocrisy is convenient, outstanding and helps no one.
What other Nations should the UK be compared to Pap as opposed to the Balkan ones (I thought we were all European and enlightened?)?
At last the UK is doing something - good news for those who are freezing and starving across the channel.
Shakespeare’s Globe is to stage a performance of Hamlet at the migrant camp in Calais known as the “Jungle”.
Need a coat, want some food, or maybe a tarpaulin to keep you dry?
No, but after fleeing a warzone I would love to see a couple of blokes in old dresses spouting shit while prancing about the camp pretending to be called Horatio and Bernardo - that will take my mind right off the image of my kids getting washed up on a beach.
exactly, they’d much rather see some Tom Stoppard.
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Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
We are arguably the most tolerant Nation on the planet so the title of this thread is absolute bollocks.
Agree with the first part, disagree with the second. The conflict of the two is a big part of why people are ashamed of Cameron’s making association with refugees a bad thing. What goes around comes around, and if we ever want to be in receipt of assistance, we’re going to be in a much better place if we’ve helped out when we’ve been able.
Cameron is cynically exploiting a fear of the other for all the wrong reasons, and thus legitimises the dehumanisation that has already occurred in the heads of some.
Allowances are made for racism, homophobia, sexism etc etc? Hammer the supposed enlightened west but allow it continue in the east as it will upset the agenda, it happens all the time and the hypocrisy is convenient, outstanding and helps no one. What other Nations should the UK be compared to Pap as opposed to the Balkan ones (I thought we were all European and enlightened?)?
This is another example of not knowing what you want, Bazza. You want us out of the EU, and presumably, other nations to quit the EU too. At the same time, you seem to want to enforce our values on these states. Has it not occurred to you that under a Europe of independent states, no one is going to be able to tell these states how to set their policy to achieve the social justice you’re no doubt striving for?
When these countries signed up to the EU, they signed up to a set of principles. Eastern countries knew they would have to take on Western reforms; many citizens wanted just that, as well.
So your position is that you would like to propagate our values of fairness and tolerance, but you would destroy the one legal authority with the power to enforce it.
Human rights on equality Pap are not a European privilege but a right for all, you haven’t metioned the nations we should be compared to either (that was your idea not mine).
Let’s try and work this one out, eh?
Broadly, the EU is made up of countries from two former Cold War blocs. One of those blocs was based on the Warsaw Pact and most states within it practiced some form of Soviet-style rule.
One of those was in, or at least aligned to NATO, comprised of democratic member states, typified by reasonably free expression, including former Imperial powers with overseas possessions.
I’ll give you a clue. We belonged to the second group.
While I appreciate it when anyone decides to grill like Paxman, Bazza - there is a time and place, sir. Even the great Jeremy Paxman would look something of a bizarre fruit, if his career at Newsnight had involved asking obvious questions with no relevance to the topic at hand.
It was never some big secret. It was never forbidden knowledge. No-one’s trying to pull the wool over your eyes. It was simply another instance of you asking a question which you already know the answer to.
Good answer at no actual answer, you fall into the ex Eastern bloc spin category.
For the difficult of reading; NATO aligned democracies in post war Europe.
A bit better but still not specific nations, also you advocate two sets of standards for different nations, hardly united is it? Pray tell when do you hope all nations will be judged the same by your exacting standards?