Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Originally posted by @Goatboy
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
There seems to be a slow but moving progress towards Puel is out of his depth, I’m glad people are finally seeing this.
Not sure abut that but then we’re hardly going to be super cheery having lost 4 league games in a row.
The next thing is the boards intention as all it seems at the moment is a managed decline and try to sell the club as high as possible.
Source? Wouldn’t they be likely to get more money for the club if we are flying high?
Why are we weaker than last season?
We have sold Mane and Pelle. 25-30 goals. we need JRod and Austin to get these between them and Long to chip in with 10. This isn’t happening.
The injury comofrt blanket doesn’t affect style of play.
What the fuck are you on about?
If continued selling has mades us weaker ie this season maybe we need to look at the system we employ.
How would you propose to keep players who, for example, are being offered £300K per week?
You don’t need a surece to know the lack of buying is for a reason , other clubs are buying, they’re obviusly worng if they think they good enough as our League position says otherwise.
*we broke our transfer record for Boufal in the summer.
So we knowingly sold for profit which in turn makes us weaker.
Don’t sell, its as simple as that, pay enough they stay, don’t pay enough they go. We’re not paying enough so what is the thoughts behind, continued selling and reliance of the academy? The black box?
*But how is this possible? We simply can’t afford to pay what Liverpool/China/whoever can pay.
I don’t accept the elastic term of continued improvement as thats plainly not working for many reasons, just lets be honest.
*No team, none, will improve season on season. You have to accept that you’re going to have a duff season every now and then. Chelsea were shit last season and are awesome this season. We have to strive to improve and one way to do this is to bring players through from the aademy and give them a go in the first team. Sims could be a massive player for us over the next couple of seasons but it’s not going to happen straight away. Have some patience and some faith and understand that being a supporter isn’t always going to be about breaking points records and finishing higher up the table each season.
Originally posted by @Goatboy
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Originally posted by @Goatboy
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
There seems to be a slow but moving progress towards Puel is out of his depth, I’m glad people are finally seeing this.
Not sure abut that but then we’re hardly going to be super cheery having lost 4 league games in a row.
The next thing is the boards intention as all it seems at the moment is a managed decline and try to sell the club as high as possible.
Source? Wouldn’t they be likely to get more money for the club if we are flying high?
Why are we weaker than last season?
We have sold Mane and Pelle. 25-30 goals. we need JRod and Austin to get these between them and Long to chip in with 10. This isn’t happening.
The injury comofrt blanket doesn’t affect style of play.
What the fuck are you on about?
If continued selling has mades us weaker ie this season maybe we need to look at the system we employ.
How would you propose to keep players who, for example, are being offered £300K per week?
You don’t need a surece to know the lack of buying is for a reason , other clubs are buying, they’re obviusly worng if they think they good enough as our League position says otherwise.
*we broke our transfer record for Boufal in the summer.
So we knowingly sold for profit which in turn makes us weaker.
Don’t sell, its as simple as that, pay enough they stay, don’t pay enough they go. We’re not paying enough so what is the thoughts behind, continued selling and reliance of the academy? The black box?
*But how is this possible? We simply can’t afford to pay what Liverpool/China/whoever can pay.
I don’t accept the elastic term of continued improvement as thats plainly not working for many reasons, just lets be honest.
*No team, none, will improve season on season. You have to accept that you’re going to have a duff season every now and then. Chelsea were shit last season and are awesome this season. We have to strive to improve and one way to do this is to bring players through from the aademy and give them a go in the first team. Sims could be a massive player for us over the next couple of seasons but it’s not going to happen straight away. Have some patience and some faith and understand that being a supporter isn’t always going to be about breaking points records and finishing higher up the table each season.
And I totally agree we can’t so why buy players to sell, buy ready made players and sell them after a few years on a loss after they’ve done a job? What does the club and academy actually give us? False pride, we’re glorified farmers, produce to kepp not to sell if thats not possible why do it? We get enough money from the tv deals so why do it? Its pointless really.
And I believe a large part of why we’re doing poorly is the manager’s tactics and the managers lack of authority to inpspire passion and togetherness when the chips are down, he is right, he was a cheap option and that says an awful lot.
So you would rather spend money on experienced players to do a job for a few years, then move them on at a loss, than utilise players who have been with the club since they were 8, 9 or 10, have grown up at the club and cost us just our investment in their football and social upbringing? Players who, if/when we do sell them, we will make a fuckton of profit on? Because this gives us ‘false pride’? Because it’s pointless?
Are you fucking mental? You’re sounding like you’d be happier with those cunts to the East!
Gonna pull you up on a one of your points Bazza,
’‘Don’t sell, its as simple as that, pay enough they stay, don’t pay enough they go. We’re not paying enough so what is the thoughts behind, continued selling and reliance of the academy? The black box?’'
Why are you deliberately spouting horseshit like this? Despite your online persona I think you are clever enough to accept the reasons why players leave a reasonably successful club (1/ money, or 2/ even more money), and why we can’t pay them as much as the top 6 (FFP).
I asked you your opinions on FFP before and got no response, if we offered 3 of our top players >120k per week (is this enough in your opinion? If not please clarify what we should be paying, then we can investigate together as to how many FFP restrictions we as a club would be breaking and how the club will be punished as a result) we would then likely have to trim our squad by 4 or 5 lesser payed players to adhere to FFP wage bill restrictions.
Would having a reduced squad make us more competitive? No of course it wouldn’t.
Worse Crimes List In History
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Losing four Premiership matches on the trot.
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Genocide of the Jews by the Nazis
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Genocide of his own people by Stalin
FFP is dead in the water. That answers your question quite clearly, it can be got around if determined enough and there is a will, PSG for example.
You have said this a few times but that doesn’t make it true.
But nailed it in the 1st leg of the semi the other day. Did Liverpool a real treat.
It doesn’t answer the question at all, let alone clearly. Are you advocating that we break/bend the rules, regardless of the possible consequences?
The motivation to engage in sensible football debate with someone who describes the team he claims to support as a bunch of inbred cunts during an away win, is the same as our last four league matches - pointless.
Barry has zero street cred on football - stop chucking 4 star on his little bonfire because he lives for the flames.
As much as we played well Liverpool didn’t play at all, by all accounts their worst performance since Burnley away if I am told correctly.
Haven’t Chelsea, City and PSG? And many others? Rules are bent and broken all the time, thats life.
When was the last significant ban or punishing fine that hurt a club through FFP?
Originally posted by @Rallyboy
The motivation to engage in sensible football debate with someone who describes the team he claims to support as a bunch of inbred cunts during an away win, is the same as our last four league matches - pointless.
Barry has zero street cred on football - stop chucking 4 star on his little bonfire because he lives for the flames.
Disagree.
It’s important to engage with Barry. But…
Keep to specific points of debate.
Keep dragging him back if he obfuscates, changes subject or adds left-field nonsequiturs.
With all of that in mind, I’m still waiting for a reply to this post.
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Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
There seems to be a slow but moving progress towards Puel is out of his depth, I’m glad people are finally seeing this.
The next thing is the boards intention as all it seems at the moment is a managed decline and try to sell the club as high as possible.
Why are we weaker than last season?
The injury comofrt blanket doesn’t affect style of play.
If continued selling has mades us weaker ie this season maybe we need to look at the system we employ.
Hi Barry.
OK, let’s do this.
There seems to be a slow but moving progress towards Puel is out of his depth, I’m glad people are finally seeing this.
Can you justify that claim?
The next thing is the boards intention as all it seems at the moment is a managed decline and try to sell the club as high as possible.
OK. Let’s assume that is the case (I’m not sure it is by the way). But let’s look for a silver lining? If they “sell the club as high as possible” perhaps the new owners will have deeper pockets that will make you happier?
Why are we weaker than last season?
Selling Mane?
Selling Big Vic?
Losing a striker to injury?
Replacements getting injured and taking time to settle?
Losing Ronald Koeman to a rival club that has been taken over by a billionaire prepared to spend silly money?
Failure of replacements to score goals when plenty of chances are being created?
Puel’s possession at all costs system stifles creativity?
Some combination of the above?
The injury comofrt blanket doesn’t affect style of play.
Well, it does as replacement players (some of them youth debutants) take time to learn the new system.
But let’s assume you’re right. Let’s look at that style of play (from yesterday’s stats) against the team with the best home record in the division.
Category: Burnley-Saints (highest number in bold)
Shots: 9- 20
Passing accuracy: 65%- 78%
Chances created: 6- 13
Crosses: 15- 40
Set pieces: 1 -0 (from which they scored)
Take-ons: 11- 12
Tackles won: 29%- 30%
Interceptions: 10- 16
Clearances: 48 -37
Throw-ins: 21 -20
Blocks: 23 -14
Goalkeeping: 7 -4
So those stats show that our style of play got us into plenty of chances and that had we taken any of our chances and saved from their only set-piece, we’d have one quite comfortably.
If continued selling has mades us weaker ie this season maybe we need to look at the system we employ.
Yep, I’d say that’s fair comment.
Or, if we are forced to sell our prize assets each year (players and managers), then we as fans have to accept that we can’t expect to have continual progress, but that with our support the new players and coaches will come good in the long run?
And perhaps we also need to face the fact that when we DO sell our prize assets to other clubs, we may not have had much of a choice.
It’s shit and frustrating, and I can see you struggling with this and it breaks my heart to see you so frustrated, but sometimes we’ve just got to suck it up and support.
That’s bullshit and you are just peddling what the media say (when every ‘big’ team is not allowed to play). We completely took them by suprise thinking we would go at them from the off and threw them completely. From up top, through midfield and the defence, we did a job on them throughout the team. If Peul had more up front, we would also be out of site.
He is a very tactical manager, when it comes off it really does come off.
Lets face it IF we win the league cup and end where we are now, it would have been a great season. Silverware - admit it, you have been peddling the fact we do not get to major finals. If he does this beating all premier league teams all the the way, and maybe clean sheets, I would say, pretty good with the tactics.
And I despise the way they operate, if my club were to take that route I would feel ashamed and embarrassed that we felt the need to cheat and scam our way to success. It seems you would be ok with that though?
No strangely I am not ok with that concept but if its a business and there is no punishment why not? There is no loyalty from the board to the fans so why shouldn’t they do this? Because its not in their interests and no other thats why.
No its not bullshit, a team can play well and the other poorly, they played poorly some on our part some on theirs, thats not difficult to comphrehend.
No strangely I am not ok with that concept but if its a business and there is no punishment why not? There is no loyalty from the board to the fans so why shouldn’t they do this? Because its not in their interests and no other thats why.
Please explain this Barry? It makes no sense.
Oh, why do suggest a course of action that you are not comfortable with and could damage the club?