The correct question would be how much do I desire us out of Europe and can that person deliver regardless of their views?
Can Farage, Galloway and Johnson (all men I don’t particularly agree with on many things) deliver the end of us being in the EU?
My enemies enemy and all that.
I won’t vote UKIP, Conservative or Respect either and never have, a means to an end.
Plenty of time or, we have not heard about it yet as he is not PM.
he was on other end making spit-roast
Even back in the day, Boris was gunning for the exit.
The great white hopeless.
Thoughtful piece from Zoe Williams here, speaking about why the pro-migration narrative is failing.
The spectre of the Somalian family in the £1.3m house (while veterans are on the streets) – another complaint I heard in Uxbridge) has a grain of truth in it. When it is normal for poxy suburban semis to be worth £1.3m, some social housing doubtless is worth that much.
If, politically, you have no answer to how a regular person under 30 gets to live in a regular house when 91% of the country is unaffordable on the median wage, then you need to find an answer. You cannot make a case for immigration, on either economic or humanitarian grounds until you’ve recognised the economic pressures on, and the human rights of, the people already living in the country. That recognition has to progress. It isn’t enough to describe how hard it is to get a house; you need to be able to describe a future in which people can afford housing.
Pro-migration arguments have so far relied entirely on myth-busting and fact-flinging, which is counterproductive. Nobody wants to hear that migrants boost the economy with their demand for goods and services, and bring in tax receipts that more than pay for their child benefit. Or that there are more British people claiming benefits in Germany than there are Germans claiming benefits here; nobody wants to know. Or who’s sustaining the NHS. Or hear the phrases “net recipient” and “net beneficiary”.
Incredible. The Guardian reckons the pound has suffered its biggest single day dip since 2010.
Ouch. The pound has now suffered its biggest one-day fall since the 2010 general election.
This morning’s 1.7% plunge hasn’t been seen since May 2010, according to the data on our Reuters terminals.
Bloomberg agrees, saying:
The pound dropped 1.7% to $1.4163 as of 9:20 a.m. in London, set for the biggest decline since the the day of the U.K. General Election on May 6, 2010.
While the currency is down 3.9% this year, it remains above an almost seven-year low of $1.4080 reached in January.
Originally posted by @pap
Thoughtful piece from Zoe Williams here, speaking about why the pro-migration narrative is failing.
The spectre of the Somalian family in the £1.3m house (while veterans are on the streets) – another complaint I heard in Uxbridge) has a grain of truth in it. When it is normal for poxy suburban semis to be worth £1.3m, some social housing doubtless is worth that much.
If, politically, you have no answer to how a regular person under 30 gets to live in a regular house when 91% of the country is unaffordable on the median wage, then you need to find an answer. You cannot make a case for immigration, on either economic or humanitarian grounds until you’ve recognised the economic pressures on, and the human rights of, the people already living in the country. That recognition has to progress. It isn’t enough to describe how hard it is to get a house; you need to be able to describe a future in which people can afford housing.
Pro-migration arguments have so far relied entirely on myth-busting and fact-flinging, which is counterproductive. Nobody wants to hear that migrants boost the economy with their demand for goods and services, and bring in tax receipts that more than pay for their child benefit. Or that there are more British people claiming benefits in Germany than there are Germans claiming benefits here; nobody wants to know. Or who’s sustaining the NHS. Or hear the phrases “net recipient” and “net beneficiary”.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/22/freedom-of-movement-britain-migration
How surprising. Facts don’t mean much to the out crowd. Every measurable metric shows the benefit migrants have on the country. But, these are ignored and the usual ignorant nonsense is spouted repeatedly. “CHEAP LABOUR!!” Companies in this country shouldn’t be able to pay under what is acceptable (i.e. minimum wage), so why don’t we focus on the companies paying poverty wages, or take the government to task and get them to do their jobs ensuring the rights of workers against these companies.
As Fowly & Gay have said, you’re a dreamer if you think getting out of the EU is going to improve anything for the working man. All the EU rights we have been afforded will be ripped out from underneath you in a heartbeat. As will the broader Human Rights the EU has provided us.
Regardless of migration, successive generations and governments have failed to adequately invest in infrastructure in this country. That’s the major cause of pressures on housing, combined with selling off social stock and not nearly replacing it.
I guess the reaction to that Sport’s Direct article Barry posted earlier in the thread highlights all of this. I read that and I’m annoyed at Sports Direct (who are notorious in their poor treatment of employees), predatory Landlords for capitalising on people in that way, and the government for A) letting landlords behave like that B) letting companies behave in that way C) doing fuck all for 30/40 years regarding housing in this country**.
The alternative? BLAME THE IMMIGRANTS!!!
**All of this, Landlords & Companies will be much worse if we leave the EU, btw. Awesome.
I think they’ve fucked up, cos I thought it was gonna be vote YES to stay EU, or vote NO to leave EU, in which case it would deffo result in stay, cos ppl like to vote YES. It was the same with Scottish Referendum. But it ain’t like that, it’s gonna be vote STAY or vote LEAVE and I reckon ppl are more likely to vote LEAVE because Stay is a negative word that sound like doing nothing, and LEAVE is taking an action.
Ppl can campaign all they like but these sort of things are decided purely by semantics.
By that logic, shouldn’t the AV and Scottish referendums have gone the other way?
Bit generous to call it logic, pap, i just like to post bout stuff i don’t bother investigating to find out if it’s true. Thats ur job.
Thanks Bear. I try.
One of the interesting things about looking around the web today is the amount of stories and/or forum posts about the subject, and the individual areas of interest. Quite a few footy forums are wondering how it’ll affect football teams. One of the reasons we’ve had so many foreign players in the league is that many of them haven’t been technically foreign. What the fuck happens to the Bosman ruling?
The fact that a Brexit can have a profound effect on how we play football is hugely indicative of how deeply ingrained the EU has become in our lives.
Are you going to vote on the Brexit, pap? I’m not going to vote. I’m annoyed I’m even being asked. What do I pay taxes for? Things must be pretty bad at Whitehall if they’re having to get me and my dustman to figure it out for them. It’s ridiculous.
Where have I blamed the migrants? I want to protect them with full union protection and membership? Sports direct don’t have that, they are the ones who should have protection and the employees, and landlords should have the book thrown at them, you simply don’t get it.
Oh and project fear.
The European working time directive is opt out anyway and the worker get shafted by that and we are currently in the EU, a fudge smokescreen and con.
Yeah, but will have to sort out a postal vote. Like 127,000 other people, I’m going to be at Glastonbury at the time.
they done that on purpose, hold it while all the soft lefties are stoned in somerset, watching coldplays or whatever
