Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Simply put for all the conspirists on here, if article 50 isn’t triggered then the whole democratic process is forever undermined and devalued. Our reputation as a democratic nation is stained forever, we’ll be a stones throw away from a regime thats picks and chooses to what the people decide.
or rather exposed for what democracy actually is around the world.
So who will be leading your Exit Team Barry…you seem to have it better organised than all the other Brexiteers…?
I think that although you are correct and a Majority of the country have voted to leave a lot of people aren’t sure that their vote to leave is actually what they now want.
Between cold light of day and the brexit leadership all starting to back track on their promises.
that’s an interesting tweet. i wonder how either he or the offenders knew these people were non-british EU citizens.
Probably, the exit will obviously have to be a cross party exercise.
Foresee any problems with that?
We’ll never know now how voters would have felt if the leave campaign and Cameron had showed strength + unity in dealing with it.
If there was no substance or plan to the Leave campaign, which he was prepared to carry out, Cameron should not have allowed a referendum. Either way, the man is worse than Blair IMO.
Just to clarify - of those that voted only 1.9% more voted to Leave rather than Remain. The result excludes those who were unable to, or didn’t want to vote. The “majority” need to realise that whatever happens needs to be in the best interests of everyone in the UK. For some reason I fear that isn’t going to happen…
Oh and I’ve just read that an investigation into the postal votes could be started as a fair number in this country and abroad either did not receive the forms or to late to return them
Originally posted by @saintbletch
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Originally posted by @lifeintheslowlane
So who will be leading your Exit Team Barry…you seem to have it better organised than all the other Brexiteers…?
Probably, the exit will obviously have to be a cross party exercise.
Foresee any problems with that?
Huge problems but politics and diplomacy in a room without the glare of the public should work better, all I am sure want it resolved, we then move onto the Scottish question and our own union issues. People seem to think the EU was safe, it was creaking and straining to stay together, the UK broke away through the vote and here we are, thats it really.
There is little doubt that it’s happeneng. We ourselves know that our Polish friends, he an electrical engineer and she a maths teacher, were told on Friday to “go home”. The fact that they’ve lived here for over 10 years, their daughter was born here, work and own their home appears to mean nothing, they are simply “foreigners”. Their daughter, my daughters best friend was crying as she doesn’t want to be sent “home” as this is the only home she’s ever known.
Our local internet radio station reported that the fruit pickers that work on the local strawberry farms, as they have every summer for years, we abused in the town on Saturday (they come in on 2 old double decker buses owned by the farms, where they live in static caravans), including when in the supermarket, being told to fuck off home and stop taking our jobs etc.
I live in a ordinary market town and there is little doubt that the latent racism that the UK has always had is pouring out in the wake of Thursday’s result. Everyone I have a friend on FB is someone I actually know and I’ve been shocked at some of the things a percentage of them have been posting.
Well it has to, it really has to, the remainers concerns must be listened to and also conceded to as we have to all live with the decisions made, it has to be workable and fair for all.
I fully agree
I think the biggest problem is that the leave campaign relied a lot on the immigration issue to get the votes but they have already back tracked and said that immigration will most probably not change
So we’re staying in the Bazza?
My tongue is in my cheek, but there’s your problem.
And if this is a cross party negotiation, and the majority of MPs backed remain, then this could be cluster-fuck squared.
Coalition’s happen all the time, this has to work so its not really an issue of failure, all mp’s will have Britains interest’s at heart on this, those mp’s have to make it palatable as they live to be reelected or not as the case may be. It has to work for all not just the people who wanted out and I sincerely hope that happens and am optimistic it will.
Originally posted by @Flahute
There is little doubt that it’s happeneng. We ourselves know that our Polish friends, he an electrical engineer and she a maths teacher, were told on Friday to “go home”. The fact that they’ve lived here for over 10 years, their daughter was born here, work and own their home appears to mean nothing, they are simply “foreigners”. Their daughter, my daughters best friend was crying as she doesn’t want to be sent “home” as this is the only home she’s ever known.
Our local internet radio station reported that the fruit pickers that work on the local strawberry farms, as they have every summer for years, we abused in the town on Saturday (they come in on 2 old double decker buses owned by the farms, where they live in static caravans), including when in the supermarket, being told to fuck off home and stop taking our jobs etc.
I live in a ordinary market town and there is little doubt that the latent racism that the UK has always had is pouring out in the wake of Thursday’s result. Everyone I have a friend on FB is someone I actually know and I’ve been shocked at some of the things a percentage of them have been posting.
Some of this is inevitable but I’m sorry to hear it.
On top of racism. Some people are terminally uncouth.
@ Bazza
You are 100% correct - any coalition HAS to work.
Despite my loathing of all politicians this may be the first time in recorded history that they put aside their contempt of the electorate and concentrate on saving their careers by doing right by the rest of us?
Or, as others have suggested in linked articles in this thread, the MPs refuse to notify the EU through article 50.
We Remain, because the alternative is too frightening, career limiting and impossible to steer to success.
What pro-EU, Remain-campaigning MP would vote (if it came to a vote) to start the uncertainty of an exit?
I imagine the new leader could do this autonomously - he surely has the mandate from the people, but really, how would he/she then pass new legislation in such a divided HoC?
Some MPs would obviously simply tow the line, and I’m not suggesting it can’t happen, simply that your glasses have a tint of something if you think it will be plain sailing.