No chance.
Are you talking here about the negotiations resulting from the invoking of Article 50, the negotiations regarding our future relationship with the EU that will follow our exit, or both? And do you think that the government (likely to be Tory and led by Johnson, with Gove pulling the strings) is really going to invite other parties into the negotiations?
Canāt see it myself, and by nature Iām very optimistic.
Agreed - Iām being wildly optimistic after watching x3 footie matches today (& a few glasses of shandy).
Did you see what I did there? - I brought the thread back to football ( Bletch, as Pap is rolling in mud, 300 extra points please)
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They know whoever it is if they only select their own party from only leave campaigners it will immediately been seen as exclusive, they have to sell this to 48% of the nation and an awful lot of remain mpās, why would Gove or Johnson risk all that?
ā¦sound logic so far, Bazza.
Itās the next bit where all of these MPs suddenly go from Remain-campaigners to fighting the EU for the things that the Brexiteers want.
Thatās a bit of a leap for me.
IF the Remain-campaigning MPs that are part of a coalition, and they vastly out-number the Brexiteers, arenāt they going to drag us bag to the EU by degree?
Too late - half of the country has already been alienated and quite a few are now horrified at the other half.
A cross-party coalition of Remain and Leave campaigners might struggle to work becauseā¦an exit from the EU is unworkable.
Decades of trade deal negotiations, decades of legal rewriting, a bill of tens of millions just for the bureaucracy - in any sensible world it is a non-starter, especially when we discover that no one has actually planned anything yet.
Even though Boris, Nigel, and their voters have launched HMS Clusterfuck and she is ready to set sail, could we just pretend we were joking all along and just apologise to the EU for having a funny five minutes?..
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4m people didnāt try to elect him, many used their vote as a protest vote in the last election. There was no way they were going to be elected.
If people werenāt educated enough AGAINST Farage then that is the fault of the Bremain party. But either way, you canāt attribute the lies that Farage said to the Leave campaign. Thatās not on.
Needed Bletch to argue your arguments for you then did you?
How can you blame the Leave campaign for comments made by someone not in the Leave campaign? Thatās fucking ridiculous.
Forget Johnson, though god knows heās not quite the man youād turn to when it comes to forging political partnerships. Gove is the main man here - he is the key Tory ideologue of leave and itās his agenda (and that of his allies) which will be what counts. And itās not an agenda that places a lot of emphasis on building consensus.
I donāt think weāll see a whole lot of cross-party stuff happening here.
Weāre gone from the EU unless we get control of our borders, offer that and the UK will stay, that will never ever happen in a million years so weāre gone, the remain could try to pull us in but know weād have to pay to go in or frofeit something, that aināt gonna work either.
Weāre out and the mpās going will have to get the best deal as is its cross party so is the blame, they wonāt be so soft to be fully accountable for their actions there will be a gun with a blank, its what politicians do.
Anyway off to bed, goodnight gents.
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You win, Shirty.
Thereās no winning here unfortunately Bletch. Weāre all likely to lose in this scenario. But when I start attributing Papās quotes to you in future I hope youāll take it well.
When Pap finally digs his car out of a faraway field and realises that he hasnāt wiped shit on his bollocks after all, it was just mud, heās going to need three days to catch up replying to every post and responding in geeky detail to every argumentā¦
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Pap - when you get to this - is there anything you can do to make replying to posts clearer when using mobile phones? The string of comments can get confusing.
I would have asked Bletch but his post of Jimmy Touretteās Angels has made me persona non grata with the missus - just watch it and youāll understandā¦
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Plouged through this thread, and like every one else, I donāt have an answer. Thereās so much at play - cucumber straightening inefficency to in your face global poverty to being pissed off at the Polish workers. Seems Southerners are united with Northerners against that London.
War is on, has always been on, and will continue to be on. If a bunch of Christians could fuck up everything 80 years ago, why expect another religion to do anything different? We unravel and ravel again until we unravel once more. Meantime, come on you Saints.
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Cameron fucks pigs, BoJo fucks Brexit voters?
Bojo pronounced here.
The only change ā and it will not come in any great rush ā is that the UK will extricate itself from the EUās extraordinary and opaque system of legislation:the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal. This will bring not threats, but golden opportunities for this country ā to pass laws and set taxes according to the needs of the UK.
So, we are led to understand that if we want to have access to the common market, we will have to swallow freedom of movement.
So under BoJo, what would Brexit voters get?
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Cameron fucks pigs, BoJo fucks Brexit voters?
Bojo pronounced here.
The only change ā and it will not come in any great rush ā is that the UK will extricate itself from the EUās extraordinary and opaque system of legislation:the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal. This will bring not threats, but golden opportunities for this country ā to pass laws and set taxes according to the needs of the UK.
So, we are led to understand that if we want to have access to the common market, we will have to swallow freedom of movement.
So under BoJo, what would Brexit voters get?
A reach around before he does us up the bum.
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Leave made it quite clear there was no concession on freedom of movement, a requirement of the Single Market, so people voted for us to be outside on our own.
Has it dawned on people yet that they voted for a lonely recession?
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Well George is come out to make calming noises, which the markets seem to have reacted well to.
Cameron needs to stop sulking in his bunker and start leading the government again - he is still PM until October and now must start acting like one or he might as well piss off now. He gambled, he lost and now he has to be man enough to pick himself up and carry on.
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